Author Topic: Stefano Hourmouzis exposed concerning the online casino challenge. (Read 2718 times)

Bago · « **on:** July 30, 2010, 12:17:33 AM »

Hi all,

Stefano is fucked up. He claimed on his forum I gave him my online casino account login details but could not access it.

I knew he lied when he sent me an email stating this, because i received an error message from Xcasino. Therefore i sent an email to the support and here is their answer:

removed

I checked myself the ip address, and indeed, it was Stefano who was trying to hijack my account.

www.ip2location.com/121.220.62.33

Of course to cover his butt, he said He could not access the account. When i received this message error from Xcasino, i decided to change my password immediately.

The guy wanted to take revenge. I completely owned him by exposing his scams smartly with proof and i got my money-back, so the guy cannot stand this.

I said to him as he tried to cheat, i could not trust him to do the challenge like an honest man, so let's do it on his new wheel. He ran away, stating it will take too much time. But only 200 spins will be enough to see a random chart, and he spends hours and hours on his message board trying to convince people he is an honest man and that his scams are working products.

Also, he wrote in an email: "I'll let you know periodically the bankroll", meaning that he was going to change the password of my account and i would not have been able to access it during 1 month (probably more) while he was playing. So it tells a lot of what he was going to do, probably stealing my identity (he has my driving license with picture, bank account details...)and making huge deposits on the account and losing it all to take revenge.

Thanks God, i stopped him before that happened, and exposed him once again for his fraudulent behaviour.

forester · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:08:33 AM »

Someone who claims to be able to constantly win thousands on online roulette wouldn't waste his time proving it to you.
He wouldn't abuse people when they ask him for money back and make roulette sites where he calls them idiots.

I know a guy who paid him for his system 2 years wages, since he is from a poor country.
As he couldn't win with system he asked for money back.

Instead winning in casino and paying him back Stefano found easier to pretend to be a scammer and to keep his money.
Was he only pretending?

Someone who can win millions as he promises wouldn't come to court without solicitor, and lose two times, then go on forums and blame me that he lost because somehow I convinced the judge that he is a scammer.

Can go on and on, but let's be reasonable.

From all people in the world I have only Stefano attacking me, I still hope one day he will give up and apology for calling me lair ( for saying that 6 people wanted refund form him).

Winning at casino is extremely hard, every day is harder.
Roulette computers, visual ballistic, bias analyses are only tools to help us but definitely cannot win under every conditions and on evry wheel as Stefano claims.

Bago · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2010, 09:19:03 AM »

Yes, and seriously would your wife tell someone: "We just recently won $10,000 on funniest home videos so are now finally getting the backyard fixed up with that money
yay..."

IF YOUR HUSBAND WAS ABLE TO WIN 30K AT ONLINE CASINOS IN 48 HOURS LIKE STEFANO CLAIMS???.

But even with such proof that are clear like rock water he is a scammer and does not earn this type of income, he is giving excuses after excuses.

It is well known he is a fraudster, even Youtube is aware, they deleted all his promotions videos concerning his computer and system. He said he does not give a shit, then why did he post the videos on a huge website like Youtube if it is not for promotion and making sales?.

Our efforts are paying Forester, as time goes by, more evidences add up, people are aware, websites are aware, he has nowhere to go.

I sincerily hope I will do the webcam demo of his DS system, but he refused for good reason, he knows he won't be able to constantly spin the wheel and ball at the same speed everytime, his chart will be random like his computer.

Bago · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:07:31 AM »

The guy is lost. He claims it is his attempt to connect to my account that give the error message, he didn't read what Xcasino support wrote: "and found that when you logged on to the website on July 27th at 23:23 UTC the I.P address that you were using was an Australian registered i.p. address."

LOGGED ON means you are logged on the website, it's clear but he does not understand. Even me who does not have english as first language understands.

Also, i just had him on email, he is giving pathetic excuses to avoid the webcam demo, he is pretexting i will say he used magnets to explain the good results, so everyone can see he relies on any pathetic excuse to run away. I can't fight with a crying running rabbit.

forester · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:09:54 AM »

Why YouTube removed his videos, did someone complain?
Some time ago I published part from his DVD to show to world how he was lying.
He instantly complained to YouTube that it is his video so they removed it.

Bago · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2010, 10:27:28 AM »

[01:19:44] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:19:57] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:20:01] Tony Duhamel: Let's procceed idiot
[01:20:02] GenuineWinner.com: GenuineWinner.com is away. This is an auto-reply message.
[01:20:07] GenuineWinner.com: ANSWER
[01:20:08] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:20:11] Tony Duhamel: turn your camera on
[01:20:19] GenuineWinner.com: ANSWER THE QUESTION
[01:20:19] Tony Duhamel: you are panicking
[01:20:20] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:20:28] Tony Duhamel: you won't play
[01:20:32] GenuineWinner.com: ANSWER IT
[01:20:36] Tony Duhamel: i let you 2 weeks you hide in your hut
[01:20:42] GenuineWinner.com: ANSWER THE QUESTION LOL
[01:20:44] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:20:56] Tony Duhamel: i let you 2 weeks you hide in your hut
[01:21:01] GenuineWinner.com: YES OR NO
[01:21:02] Tony Duhamel: stop your bluff and act now
[01:21:02] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:21:07] GenuineWinner.com: LOL THIS IS FUNNY
[01:21:07] Tony Duhamel: you are a kid
[01:21:09] GenuineWinner.com: ANSWER IT
[01:21:10] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:21:19] Tony Duhamel: you know you are full of shit
[01:21:24] GenuineWinner.com: ANSWER IT!
[01:21:31] Tony Duhamel: let's do the demo on your wheel
[01:21:35] Tony Duhamel: stop crying and proceed
[01:21:38] GenuineWinner.com: LOL YOU REALLY CANT ANSWER, CAN YOU?
[01:21:46] Tony Duhamel: i can but you can't play now
[01:22:07] Tony Duhamel: you are on drugs isn't it
[01:22:11] GenuineWinner.com: All I want is an answer
[01:22:21] Tony Duhamel: i don't care what you want
[01:22:34] Tony Duhamel: i gave you a chance but you didn't play
[01:22:46] Tony Duhamel: you could not find any pattern
[01:22:53] Tony Duhamel: so you wait until i get bored
[01:23:09] GenuineWinner.com: OK, I'll take that as you cant answer it, because you know if you do, you set yourself up for more embarassment
[01:23:10] GenuineWinner.com: cya
[01:23:26] Tony Duhamel: we already did, you are the one who ran away
[01:23:41] Tony Duhamel: and again tonight with the webcam demo
[01:24:25] GenuineWinner.com: tony when someone cant ansew such a basic question, it usually means they are FULL OF SHIT
[01:24:39] GenuineWinner.com: i wont waste more time with you. I'll focus on working with others.
[01:24:45] Tony Duhamel: we already did this but you didn't act, you talk shit but you do not act
[01:24:55] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:24:57] Tony Duhamel: you are the one to blame
[01:25:05] GenuineWinner.com: haha ok, not wasting more time. cya
[01:25:16] Tony Duhamel: you are owned
[01:25:57] GenuineWinner.com: really? oh no.
[01:26:11] Tony Duhamel: then switch on your cam on your wheel and predict
[01:26:13] GenuineWinner.com: what's it like to be a mental patient? can you please tell me.
[01:26:30] Tony Duhamel: i will give you the approximate wheel and ball spin to apply, you predict and then you spin the wheel
[01:26:38] GenuineWinner.com: tony i could easily do what you ask, but DONT YOU THINK DEMONSTRATING ON A WHEEL TOTALLY OUT OF MY INFLUENCE IS BETTER PROOF?
[01:26:40] Tony Duhamel: you are the one on drugs, not me
[01:26:59] Tony Duhamel: it is better proof but you will never play like it has been the case with my account
[01:27:03] GenuineWinner.com: I'm not saying you are on drugs. im saying you NEED drugs - medication
[01:27:20] GenuineWinner.com: you wouldnt let me do what we agreed to do!
[01:27:20] GenuineWinner.com: So....
[01:27:22] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:27:31] Tony Duhamel: you are the one who think he can beat any roulette any condition, not me
[01:27:42] Tony Duhamel: and you are probably the one on earth, with Spike
[01:27:55] GenuineWinner.com: incorrect. i can beat any wheel design, not any condition
[01:28:04] GenuineWinner.com: So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:28:31] Tony Duhamel: if you tell me it is snowman and if it takes place in a day or so ok
[01:28:53] GenuineWinner.com: who else would you accept for testing the computer and online casino testing?/
[01:29:03] Tony Duhamel: noone
[01:29:32] Tony Duhamel: the test of your computer is done, it does not work
[01:29:43] Tony Duhamel: we are interested about the online casino challenge
[01:29:46] GenuineWinner.com: haha yes ronjo did do testing, and showed you are just stupid
[01:30:07] GenuineWinner.com: tony you are a waste of time. you are a sick person.
[01:30:09] GenuineWinner.com: cya
[01:30:09] Tony Duhamel: yes he said like you 3 pockets error on a repeated spin, the webcam demo washed this big lie
[01:30:23] Tony Duhamel: you are owned and do not know where to go
[01:30:34] Tony Duhamel: Youtube deleted all your videos have you seen
[01:30:34] GenuineWinner.com: haha tony you dont know what 3 pockets error is. you think it is even spread - it isnt.
[01:30:45] GenuineWinner.com: oh no. i better kill myself.
[01:30:56] Tony Duhamel: even the foxtel video, as you are a loser, you have to steal success story
[01:31:00] GenuineWinner.com: bye bye my friend. i can tell you are panicing but good for you.
[01:31:09] GenuineWinner.com: they used bias. i teach that and much more.
[01:31:10] GenuineWinner.com: bye bye
[01:31:22] Tony Duhamel: RX does it for 20$
[01:31:36] GenuineWinner.com: not like i do. more to bias than "which number won most"
[01:31:37] Tony Duhamel: you ask 3,5K for pathetic dealer signature pathetic VB and bias
[01:31:42] GenuineWinner.com: i know, you are stupid, sorry
[01:31:52] GenuineWinner.com: oh oh.. but.. So when a reputable forum member, snowman or otherwise, see my account go from $500 to $3000, and see the transaction record to confirm it's all winnings, will you then publicly apologize, remove sites etc and finally hang yourself like you promised??
[01:31:58] GenuineWinner.com: *waves*
[01:32:03] Tony Duhamel: even Snowman taught a good bias trick for free, which is valuable contrary to your material
[01:32:57] Tony Duhamel: even the number of spins to get a reliable data for bias, you do not get that right, 1500 is not enough

forester · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:58:59 PM »

Enough,
I will lock this and no more talk about scam until you publish at least 5 useful posts.
He has nothing else useful to do, but we do have.
Also I do not want people find this place talking only about his stupidities.

securityman · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2010, 12:19:09 AM »

Did nt know where to post ,or if I should post $:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$

But as this Mr J seems a bit controversial and well,,,,,,hell just click on this ::POST IS at 18.57 12 th Jan this year http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=8494&forum=Roulette_Message_Board

Thats what he says about the guy and some weeks later he takes stevs offer up and NOW is his mod lMAO THAT SURELY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT The Two of them

Sorry Forester,I know its usually myself that asks you to sty away from that Idoit but MR j has been brought to my attention from few silent members here

I always say ,,,if he is a system player let him go for it ,,,,, And that was there point that he is a avid systems player and does nt even recognise AP but he moderates a forum owned by a person that promotes it.. I have time for PP regardless how they play but when this was brought to my attention I just had to post it

Point is BOTH OF THEM HAVE NO RESPECT FOR AP

ONE PROMOTES IT BUT CLEARLY HAS NO RESPECT FOR IT

ONE EVEN DENIES IT EXCISTS BUT MODERATES HIS FORUM(cough KEN)

I f your confused well,,,,so am I

Lol DONT MAKE SENCE TO ME NIETHER

WELL;ERR ACHHH I'm off

forester · « **Reply #8 on:** September 13, 2010, 03:49:57 AM »

Well MR. J stopped writing about Stefano’s scam if Stefano makes him a moderator on VLS.
Some people just love to talk at forums.

That Stefano will provide computer for free is rubbish, he writes it every 6 months just to confuse people about scam.
Few people contacted him to get RC for free and he refused all of them, even myself publicly challenged his offer at GG and he refused with an excuse that I will somehow take his software.

Put it this way, if it is the truth, and if computer works as he claims sure that I will use it.

To use it I will have to get codes from him, if I would be dishonest it would be against my interests.
But of course Stefano has his excuses as in usual.

Bottom line is that he was sentenced for 2 years jail for previous scam.
For someone to be so much guilty in Australia, capable to run professional scam, he really needs to have twisted mind.

Conches of an ordinary man simply wouldn’t let him cheat individuals on the way as Stefano did.

Nothing else is needed to be said!

forester · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2010, 12:20:19 AM »

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"Looking at your methods (yes the 3 versions that was all displayed publicly), the ones you sold or $2K. There is no way in hell that those systems can or will give you an advantage. It falls under the same category "why systems do not work" You want to claim that it gives a better advantage than Forester's computers. That is BS and you know it.

It is a real real pity that this forum now has become another cheap outlet for you to attack competitors.

I have chatted to a couple of guys that have bought your system. They all say it's BS. Those are just the facts.

Apparently if it doesn't work it is always the player's fault. They didn't take the correct amount of spins or they applied the system wrong, they didn't understand the system and so on and so on. I know you can ban me in a heartbeat and I'm sure it won't be long before you do. The fact remains is that the system is BS and yet you still get away with it. Amazing. Truly amazing. And for that I take my hat off to you.

...Jakkalsdraai"

And that was last he said before he was banned at VLS by Stefano

Most advantage players he banned.
Stefano doesn’t need people who know something, he needs VLS only to promote his systems so someone new may think it is genuine.

Bago · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2011, 01:50:25 AM »

It is always good to record conversations like this one I had with the conman Stefano Hourmouzis on Skype on July 2010.

7 Months now has gone since this clown was pretending to win the challenge, well we are far from that, he still didn't touch the online casino account whereas he told me: "you have no idea how easy it is for me", or the fake screenshot he sent to me in an email with a fun account with 4K "won" trying to intimidate me.

So, I guess I won the challenge... but this, I already knew.
Will he be man enough to disappear from the internet with all his rubbish and scams?. Will he send me 100,000$ because I challenged him and proved that his system does not work?
Indeed, it is was is promised to anyone who would prove that his system is a scam...
ref: NOTE: If anyone (whether it be another system seller or anonymous message board poster) claims our system is ineffective, ask them to take our $100,000 challenge - no individual that truly believed our system is ineffective would refuse such an easy $100,000 award.

forester · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2011, 01:39:59 AM »

Nothing new! What else he can do?

mr j · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2011, 03:38:03 PM »

"Well MR. J stopped writing about Stefano’s scam if Stefano makes him a moderator on VLS" >>> You need to be more specific. The word 'if' was never mentioned between him or myself.

In other words, it did not sound like this >> Hey Steve, if you make me a mod, I'll stop bashing you.

Thanks, please quote correctly in the future.

Ken

forester · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2011, 03:50:01 PM »

Quote from: mr j on March 01, 2011, 03:38:03 PM

Hey Steve, if you make me a mod, I'll stop bashing you.

If you can aford $3 a month you should run your own forum!

Toxic · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2011, 04:52:18 PM »

Quote from: Forester on March 01, 2011, 03:50:01 PM

Quote from: mr j on March 01, 2011, 03:38:03 PM

Hey Steve, if you make me a mod, I'll stop bashing you.

If you can aford $3 a month you should run your own forum!

Exactly! I do not get why J is here. You do not believe in AP, not even in the least. You (cough) bash AP on various occasions. I think opening your own forum will be the right thing for you to do.

Then again maybe I'm wrong and you have seen the errors of your ways. Maybe you have realized that AP is the only way to gain an advantage in the longrun. If that is the case, welcome, if not, what are you doing here?

Toxic

forester · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2011, 05:36:33 PM »

Toxic I know Stefano banned you at VLS , did he ban you and at forum net.

Toxic · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2011, 07:16:54 PM »

Hi Forester,

No mate he didn't.

Reason being I started a challenge there and was in the middle of it. After being banned at VLS I made it very well known on RF! If it wasn't for the challenge though he would of booted me from there too. Too many involved in the challenge, so Stevie boy knew it would be a stupid move to ban me from there as well. Really speaking I couldn't care less whether he banned me or not from RF simply because there is absolutely nothing of value on that forum. Ziltch, nada, zero, buggerall. Simply there is just no point in going there. Furthermore I have no desire to go there (or any website with a Stevie-Stevie connection).

I hear he is a crane driver or something..... (btw nothing against crane drivers..... he gives crane drivers a bad name though!)

I also downloaded that crap metronome from his site (java). The metronome is as accurate as a paranoid tap dancer on Speed, with high heel Stilleto's on, after being kicked in the balls with a steel tipped boot ............................. ...........

Cheers
Toxic

forester · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2011, 08:37:02 PM »

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I hear he is a crane driver or something..... (btw nothing against crane drivers..... he gives crane drivers a bad name though!)

Let’s just say it is a hobby for our multimillionaire.

I mean why not on weekends instead of spending time with kids and family drive to port and spend weekend there. I know a man works same job, has wife of 300 pounds and he always runs away.

Quote

I also downloaded that crap metronome from his site (java). The metronome is as accurate as a paranoid tap dancer on Speed, with high heel Stilleto's on, after being kicked in the balls with a steel tipped boot ............................. ...........

If he can make better then that he would.

mr j · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:02:15 PM »

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"If you can aford $3 a month you should run your own forum!"

>>> So to be consistent, there should be NO MODS at any type of forum, gambling related or otherwise? Because afterall, why be a mod if you could run your own forum for as little as $3, correct? ......no mods at any forums......just as long as I understand you.

Ken

forester · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:53:57 PM »

Only at boards run by criminals.

mr j · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:46:36 PM »

So now we're down to definitions.

Ken

Toxic · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2011, 05:40:25 PM »

Ken what are you doing here?

Have you realised your mistakes regarding systems and roulette? Did you come here to learn the only ways to beat roulette? Or are you here to cause trouble?

mr j · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2011, 09:57:19 AM »

Can you find me where I caused trouble here or at the Wiz site? Feel free to post it *BUT* make sure to post the ENTIRE thread, I'll need that.

Why would I quit methods? If it aint broke.......

Good luck today chasin that dream. Words are fun, hey? I much prefer cash but thats just me I guess.

Ken

forester · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2011, 01:32:49 PM »

You were attacking Snowman, when we all here respect him. He helped many people.
Other way nobody have a problem with you. If you have nothing smarter do then to serve scammers that's your problem and your life. Moderators here share same values and beliefs with me that’s why they are moderators.

For some reason I do not believe you are a scammer or manipulator but in same time I have seen how you moderating nonsense Stefano wrote at VLS. I dint say a word about him all I did made comments on video he made to attack me and the system members of this forum designed.

It’s not my fault if in video he made a solid prove about his lack of understanding principles of roulette prediction. The next day at VLS was a post with my details published. Sure there were Stefano’s replays how he needs to remove it but he still didn’t. He removed picture of the house, probably because its 3 x larger than his and at 3 times better location. It’s obvious who is behind that post, his manipulative pretending’s about my private details are laughable since he already did same once before.

Publishing details of an advantage player only shows how desperate he is and you are powerless servant, helping to moderate board which I do not believe is in line with your standards. Many members here use to be members at VLS before then Stefano took it over. He bans them, just to stop them talking how good the FF roulette computer is. Toxic is only one of them.

Why few days ago Manuelon was banned?
All he did, made a post about FFA and how much he likes it.

For us you are the part of scumming and manipulative business against this site and values we have.

With belief that your objective is only to contribute to community I suggested you to run your own forum instead of helping injustice and scam. That’s all.

Toxic · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2011, 05:07:26 PM »

All I wanted to know was what you were doing here Ken. This forum is not about systems or whether they work or not. We don't believe in systems, period. We only discuss RC and AP. So if you have no interest in this....what are you doing here. I think I have asked this question 3 times now....still haven't received an answer...