Stefano s proof about his RC

[viper5]

OK I just had a nice conversation with Stefano via skype.

He seems like a nice person from the little things that we discussed.

The main point is that he asked me What was the proofs that I needed to see from live Camera in order to be convinced that his RC makes OK pedictions.

In the beggining he told me that he would like to send me 1 dvd with demostration of the RC.
I told him that either Me or the public will belive that the DVD is a real proof.
So I told him that sending me the DVD would be no proof and a lost of time.

So I told him that I needed to see 2 things.

1)Live setting up and row of preditions in a tilted wheel
2)Live setting up and row of predictions in a Leveled wheel

I also told him that in order Not to have preloaded numbers in his RC ,I will tell him a Random Minute in the DVD that I would like to start setting UP and start making predictions  with his RC .
So everything will ne clear without any ways to cheat.
He told me that he would like to show me also a 4 diamond test ,but I told him that it wasn t nesessary cause the numbers of the prediction could easily be preloaded to the RC...
(I also told him that i saw a previous Video demo in his site when he did 4 diamonds test and that the BEEP at the moment of the strike was ONLY at the 12 oclock diamond where he started the test and that to the 3,6 and 9 diamond he DID NOT let the RC to make the beep because he moved fast to the next diamonds to test(this is suspicious) ,and that when he did cycle and arrived to the time that he made a prediction to the 12 ocklock diamond ONLY then he let the RC again to make the BEEP again!...he told me that this was a coinsidence as i undersyood)

Anyway for my surprice Steve accepted the 2 tests that I asked for and he asked me also If i needed any other proof.
I said NO...these 2 demos are enough for me to make a conclusion.

I was friendly at him because he never scamed at me....so at this stage he seeems to be OK!

The tests will be completed in 2 weeks the latest.

I also told him that I am NOT Foresters dog and that If the demos will have reasonable good predictions(even if the predictions are in teh same accuray as FFA) I will be teh 1st to post the best words in this forum.

thats it for now.

 

[forester]

You are funny.

Instead of sending you computer he is going to do video.
Sure video online is better then DVD.

But how can you know what he is really doing.
He can tilt wheel in any direction at any time. 
He can do so many things.

It is different if someone who you trust showing you and explaining you something, to something that should be official.

Anyway, I have heard that he is going to send RC to Laurance Scott.
Waiting for that.

[viper5]

I am funny?

where did this come from???

And don t worry.... the 1st predictions I am gona ask will be on the strike point....then I will ask to involve the average scatter.

If the man afraids to sent his RC ...why are u still talking about that???

Forester take it easy@!

[securityman]

TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeks

 

what they got for NMBs down under

yeo i gues forester is right ,,,,,,,,,,,java is realy to slooooooooooooooow
 

[forester]

Let me ask you something.
He advertises to send RC's for free, to whom?
Who can be more suitable then you?

You want to play, you are familiar with RC's with VB , I am also confident that you can do testing.
Two hits with one shot, get a player and have a prove. So why not to do it?

DVD or video spins are ok if I want to explain to friend something. But it is not a prove.

So why he is avoiding to prove his computer working?

Nobody have problem believing he can make a video or manipulate people (with all respect to Viper).

For same reason when he changed from testing computer to show it on video PJ refused.
PJ is very experienced person with people.

If you want to do something then do it properly?

If he wants to convince you with video, that is in between you and him.
If he shows me video I wouldn't trust him, perhaps if I watch real wheel and his predictions for 50 spins then yes, and if he is not tilting table.

If he sends you RC so you can test it, that's different story.

He said he will send it to Laurence. So we wait for that, I will trust Laurence.
I hope he sends him mobile phone not the FFA   

[securityman]

that would be a big ERROR4

lets have the video tooo,,,,,,,,,anything i have seen from him is a big joke

i got dvd with 100 spins with him doing a promotional video

theyre a complete joke,,,,,,,,,,,the amount of spinners that land into the predicted area well,,,ive lost count

his comouter and i quote,,,,,,,,,,TUNES OUT HUMIDTY ,,,,,,,,,then he pause and say ,,,well half the time it tunes it out hahahahahahaha

his old phone he uses had the JUMP as he calles it prset for a sctter of 12 so we have a plus 12 for the prediction,,ie if we here 27 for the predicted number on his demo then the ball should strike diamond at roughly 0,,,,,,but time and time again it fails to do that

and lets show the whole roulette world 1.22  mins into the video the action of the bal as it is suposed to be resting in number 3 pocket

LMAFRO it dont rest atall ,,,,,,it has a side to side motion up and down up and down

so memebrs of the public you tell me whats going on with his wheel,,,,,it happens alot on halfway plus into his demo

the mans a joke,,just forget him ,,,,,,,you know what dont ,,,,,,,,,,i do get a good laugh at his demos and stupities

ill contact mebers here to upolad clcips and youll here the man himself explaining all

now stefany ,,,,,get out of that one

im off

[viper5]

Forester listen.

When a person accepts to SET UP the RC and start making calibrations and predictions in minute(starting point) of a dvd of UR choise (and NOT his choise) in REAL TIME CONFERENCE.... U just know that the demonstration will be PURE and REAL!!!

I know that I have the knowledje observing what is happening and I think U know that too!

U told that he maby gonna TILT the table!...........LOLOLOL.....Yes BUT thats the point!!!
I need to see predictions in a Tilted wheel and in a leveled wheel.....I really couldn t ask for anything MORE!
When u need to show a demo of teh FFA...don t u make the wheel telted???  LOL

Stefano is right that he is afraid to send his RC to me(and i do not blame him),because he see in that forum that i am very assosiated with U...and he is afraid that maby (because he doeasn t know me)  I could be the kind of person that I would send the RC to U in order to steal algoriths ,program and anything else...

So as U also said .........the next best thing is a REAL TIME DEMO

If u belive that any person in a LIVE demo where he is gonna SET UP the RC with me real time ...is gonna cheat ,then belieave whatever U want...
Of course I know that U are smarter than that...and U know for sure that Noone can cheat in a LIVE DEMO that the RC will NOT be already setted UP!!!!

The 1st thing that I will tell him to do is to make the nessesary calibrations in order to make predictions on the strike point (which is the stable point of all the predictions in a tilted or in a leveled wheel)....Then I will see what calibration the RC will make in order to gain an advantage to the final point of the ball...

Forester I will tell u this as a friend!
Do NOT post anything else here and wait for the test to be finished...because with the things that U say(befor even the test to start!!!!)  It really seems to the public that  they do not know U like I do ,that U are afraid of something!

I know that U do not afraid of anything...but a person that doeasn t know U it seems that U are afraid.

We have a greek phraze in my country...

"the thief is screaming for the housekeeper to leave "

So when the test will finish and I will post here the resaults then U can have things to rely on ......

I am neutral in all this thing...NOT with U NOT with Stefano.
If u really don t care about this test... i know that the public CARES to see once and for all what type of man Srefano really is.

Forester do u know that when a woman is SEXY and beautifull ,but she has a bad behaviour ,she is NOT so disired like a SEXY and beautifull woman that she has a NICE behaviour...

well thats UR case!!!

u are an exelent(!!!!) RC enginiar and and have exelent(!!!) VB knowlede...but U don t have good maners sometimes and ppl (like snowman and Kelly) are avoiding U!

And once again I am telling U all these as a friend

PS. stefano contacted with me via skype and he told me that he is ready for the test and that he would like to know when I am ready!
I will tell him that I will be ready in some hours...but as i know in AU its very late...so the test will be done in 9 hours that it will be morning in AU and night here...

[securityman]

you seem to miss the point

maybe from forester too

are you saying it is impossible too cheat useing conditions that YOU are satisfied with???

as to tilting the wheel maybe forester ment during the spin ,,,,,,,,I for one dont know if thats what he means but sure it could be rehearesed and done without you or anyone elce noticing ,,,maybe forester is just looking out for you

ok mate ,take care and cant wait to SEE the results ,,,,,,,,how clear will the feed be ,,ofcource i know youll cancel if you cant see clear enough, but my experience with especialy a moving object such as a roulette wheel its hard to really define anything

but technology moves on quicker than we can ,so let the show begin

 a look at the promised video demo also would be interesting too,i said before never decline anything that someone wants to show there worth ,,,stefano like others deserve the right to show what they really have

let the world see i say and shout it from the mountain tops

man o man i do get carried away with my self

ok good luck

your mate

Securityman

[viper5]

Security man    posted """"my experience with especialy a moving object such as a roulette wheel its hard to really define anything"""


Exactly mate....with UR expirience. 

Security man posted:  """""  as to tilting the wheel maybe forester ment during the spin ,,,,,,,,I for one dont know if thats what he means but sure it could be rehearesed and done without you or anyone elce noticing """""

1)How is he gonna TILT the DVD with the spins???LOLOLOL....is he gona TILT the DVD player and make the wheel more tilted!!!??? LOLOLOL

2)And JUST for U to learn: If during testing with RC U will TILT the wheel DURING the spin(as u said) it does NOT only NOT helping...but it makes things A LOTTTTT WORST!!!
Because the reamaining time for the ball to drop will CHANGEEEEEE dramaticly!!! And so the RC will make a lot worst and inacurate predictions!!!
( i had the best teacher...do not forget that...he spent with me at least 100 hours in Msn to solve my questions! And I can t help him enough for this...I will always be gratefull to him.....Also I have spend an other maby 100 hours in testing FF and predicting with 3 different styles of VB...so don t worry....I will see ALLLL in stefano s demo)

Please my old friend....try to focus only in Bias play...U say that U are good at IT!

thank u

[forester]

U told that he maby gonna TILT the table!...........LOLOLOL.....Yes BUT thats the point!!!
I need to see predictions in a Tilted wheel and in a leveled wheel.....I really couldn t ask for anything MORE!
When u need to show a demo of teh FFA...don t u make the wheel telted???  LOL

You see that you do not understand.
When I show video I show it for people which trust me.
I do not go and tilt table once on one diamond next time on the other to show RC works on leveled wheel.GREEN GREEN
 

Stefano is right that he is afraid to send his RC to me(and i do not blame him),because he see in that forum that i am very assosiated with U...and he is afraid that maby (because he doeasn t know me)  I could be the kind of person that I would send the RC to U in order to steal algoriths ,program and anything else...

If you say so  , but as I can remember well he was full of himself how software is fully protected. Also he knows that if I wanted his software (2 y old)I could get it from guy in Croatia. I refused it. He even brought that in court. In one email he pretended to be someone else asking for it and I told him who has his software. So it may not be god excuse but if you like it what can I do.

So as U also said .........the next best thing is a REAL TIME DEMO

Of course it is better then DVD but you never know what person on the other side is doing, I thought Stefano wants to test his computer. With test I mean the test. It looks this will be the test can he manipulate Viper?

The 1st thing that I will tell him to do is to make the nessesary calibrations in order to make predictions on the strike point (which is the stable point of all the predictions in a tilted or in a leveled wheel)....Then I will see what calibration the RC will make in order to gain an advantage to the final point of the ball...

I do not  know what you going to tell him to do and its not my business. Bu I suggest you  make sure he predicts REAL WHEEL not spins, he should get better hits then 1:12 (he says) and he predicts leveled wheel at any time during the spin as he claims. 10 rotations before drop, then 5 then 7 … also that he predicts tilt and leveled wheel with same program.

Forester I will tell u this as a friend!
Do NOT post anything else here and wait for the test to be finished...because with the things that U say(befor even the test to start!!!!)  It really seems to the public that  they do not know U like I do ,that U are afraid of something!

I know that U do not afraid of anything...but a person that doeasn t know U it seems that U are afraid.
We have a greek phraze in my country...
"the thief is screaming for the housekeeper to leave "
So when the test will finish and I will post here the resaults then U can have things to rely on ......

Mate I just feel sorry for you.

I am neutral in all this thing...NOT with U NOT with Stefano.
If u really don t care about this test... i know that the public CARES to see once and for all what type of man Srefano really is.

Then do the real test.

Forester do u know that when a woman is SEXY and beautifull ,but she has a bad behaviour ,she is NOT so disired like a SEXY and beautifull woman that she has a NICE behaviour...

No I did not know that. I like them any way.

well thats UR case!!!

Thanks but keep your comments for yourself.

u are an exelent(!!!!) RC enginiar and and have exelent(!!!) VB knowlede...but U don t have good maners sometimes and ppl (like snowman and Kelly) are avoiding U!

A compliment from someone who has no clue about engineering is not really a compliment. If you did not understand why Kelly quit i'll not explain it.

And once again I am telling U all these as a friend 

I love friends.

PS. stefano contacted with me via skype and he told me that he is ready for the test and that he would like to know when I am ready!
I will tell him that I will be ready in some hours...but as i know in AU its very late...so the test will be done in 9 hours that it will be morning in AU and night here...

Cool

1)How is he gonna TILT the DVD with the spins???LOLOLOL....is he gona TILT the DVD player and make the wheel more tilted!!!??? LOLOLOL

Well it looks as he is not going to test computer but it looks as he is not even going to test it in life on real wheel but on prepared DVD with selected spins. 

2)And JUST for U to learn: If during testing with RC U will TILT the wheel DURING the spin(as u said) it does NOT only NOT helping...but it makes things A LOTTTTT WORST!!!
Because the reamaining time for the ball to drop will CHANGEEEEEE dramaticly!!! And so the RC will make a lot worst and inacurate predictions!!!
( i had the best teacher...do not forget that...he spent with me at least 100 hours in Msn to solve my questions! And I can t help him enough for this...I will always be gratefull to him.....Also I have spend an other maby 100 hours in testing FF and predicting with 3 different styles of VB...so don t worry....I will see ALLLL in stefano s demo)

Hmm , it looks as you did not always listen.

If I have RC that can predict with accuracy of only 100 ms.
And if I want to cheat people.
Then once I tilt table on one leg , next time on the other , next time maybe change again, each time i get perfect drop point and you think I am predicting leveled wheel. Peerhaps i can also gradually shift clocking with each rotation...etc

You couldn't think even about this then imagine what someone more skilled in scam can do.

GREEN GREEN.

I hope you wouldn't mind to run screen recorder and show us how test was done.
Or is it secret in between two of you?

[securityman]

Security man    posted """"my experience with especialy a moving object such as a roulette wheel its hard to really define anything"""


Exactly mate....with UR expirience. 

Security man posted:  """""  as to tilting the wheel maybe forester ment during the spin ,,,,,,,,I for one dont know if thats what he means but sure it could be rehearesed and done without you or anyone elce noticing """""

1)How is he gonna TILT the DVD with the spins???LOLOLOL....is he gona TILT the DVD player and make the wheel more tilted!!!??? LOLOLOL

2)And JUST for U to learn: If during testing with RC U will TILT the wheel DURING the spin(as u said) it does NOT only NOT helping...but it makes things A LOTTTTT WORST!!!
Because the reamaining time for the ball to drop will CHANGEEEEEE dramaticly!!! And so the RC will make a lot worst and inacurate predictions!!!
( i had the best teacher...do not forget that...he spent with me at least 100 hours in Msn to solve my questions! And I can t help him enough for this...I will always be gratefull to him.....Also I have spend an other maby 100 hours in testing FF and predicting with 3 different styles of VB...so don t worry....I will see ALLLL in stefano s demo)

Please my old friend....try to focus only in Bias play...U say that U are good at IT!

thank u

yes viper this was my experience with a member here and also many other ppl know this problem, just useing the forum as i have always doen,,,,,

ie just trying to help in sharing my experience.. you dont have to listen to it might be best to ignore it,,

as for point one you made, well ,err   ill pass on that one thx

point 2 yes you got me at last ,,as i said he wont do anything that will give him a disadvatage,     lol yes your right thx for getting that,,,,,,during the actuall timing of ball /rotor would be suicide,,,,,,lMAO;;;;;

now you get me

ok best oif luck mate i hope you find what your looking for

will follow this post closely,although i wont be holding my breath,

focus i did man, took the wheel for 2 months although i never said i was good at it just posted the results of the bias ,,lets say the casino made it possible

but focussing only Bias is not for me FFa-u is my first passion when it comes to roulette

but thx for the advice 

ok

cya

your very own

Securityman

[forester]

Viper I know that you are good man but 
you are only wanking around.

If he doesn't convinces you will be an idiot.
If he does you put me in bad position, because he will go around all forums as he does and talk rubbish, how his computer is tested.

I am telling you right now, that is not the test and for me is mining less. Perhaps it's 5% of test.

If someone else is doing it I may accept is as kind of reference, but not from him since I know enough.

I hope that he will keep his promise and supply computer to LS.

Interesting he is not worried to supply it to LS and is worried to supply it to you.
LS may be interesting in RC software then anybody else.
I would be offended.

I will trust LS's test on real RC.

What he says let it be. 

[Jefra]

Stefano is right that he is afraid to send his RC to me(and i do not blame him),because he see in that forum that i am very assosiated with U...and he is afraid that maby (because he doeasn t know me)  I could be the kind of person that I would send the RC to U in order to steal algoriths ,program and anything else...

hahahahahahaha, very funny

Do you really think that Forester cares about Stefano's software    LOL
He does not need such a shit.

[Jefra]

...but U don t have good maners sometimes and ppl (like snowman and Kelly) are avoiding U!


Kelly is BSer, BUT DO NOT talk about Snowman as you have no idea what is his opinion about Forester

[viper5]

Forester I am really very sorry abou U

U posted : """"He advertises to send RC's for free, to whom?
Who can be more suitable then you?
You want to play, you are familiar with RC's with VB , I am also confident that you can do testing.
Two hits with one shot, get a player and have a prove. So why not to do it?""""
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And now U are contradicting ur self and u are telling that I am not the right person to make correct jugjment about the TEST!!!

Man U say that Stefano contadictining himself....read above...what did u just do???

The point that U said that this test is gona be just 5% it really shows that U are in a defence position....

i am sorry man.....i had misanderstood U.....

i thought that U were someone else

But U know that I am a nice person...U posted that above(exept If u wana contradict that too!)

So I will Not even try to say something bad about U...

Once again I am very sorry abot U.....I am very sorry about US!

I will not post here again anything else from now on.....
The last thing I am gonna post is the resault of stefano test....anyone that would like to read it Can read it and make his personal opinions.

ps.U know that I bought from U the new FFV - U ....I only need U to suport me with the instractions of its vibe MENU ...as any sirious seller would do.

then U can delete my account.

[securityman]

securuty man....U are I nice person mate!


thx ,your just after a kiss

i think however your gettting confused on the tests the test has changed nit foresters opinion

awell im sure forester will clear it up

BTW,,,,,,ps.U know that I bought from U the new FFV - U ....nice choice,,,,FFa-u was for fags ,,,,,,,,,so forester told me
ok
your mate

Securityman

[Jefra]

ps.U know that I bought from U the new FFV - U ....I only need U to suport me with the instractions of its vibe MENU ...as any sirious seller would do.

I warned Forester to not have with you anymore anything, but he didnot listen me. Boy you too fast showed your real colours, so we hope that Forester will punish you. Viper, you have now another friends (Jafco, Stefano, Kelly), ask them :-)

[forester]

Forester I am really very sorry abou U 

U posted : """"He advertises to send RC's for free, to whom?
Who can be more suitable then you?
You want to play, you are familiar with RC's with VB , I am also confident that you can do testing.
Two hits with one shot, get a player and have a prove. So why not to do it?""""
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And now U are contradicting ur self and u are telling that I am not the right person to make correct jugjment about the TEST!!! 

VIPER can you read and understand.
I do not have problem if you take computer and do testing.
I believe you would know so much. I said I am not interesting in Stefano's manipulations and his way of testing on camera on video spins. It is just something that he will go around forums and brag for next 6 months daily and next six years 2 times a week. (he already started)  What he is doing is not the test to prove anything about RC but the test can he manipulate you. 

Man U say that Stefano contadictining himself....read above...what did u just do??? 

And 1001 times Viper thinks I am wrong. Thanks, maybe one day you find me wrong but not this time. If you couldn't find until now how Stefano contradicts himself, I am even more sorry for you.

VIPER can't you see what are you doing.
I will no delete your account why would I. You are the one who will have to live with this and your words. Do not worry you will get instructions.

The point that U said that this test is gona be just 5% it really shows that U are in a defence position....

Even that is generous. Tell me one thing.
How many hours you spent with testing FFA?
And that was real test, nobody guided you or limited you in your ways how to test it.

Mate if you want to test it then do the test. (None of Stefano's excuses to supply RC for testing is really justified.)

But if you want to watch on camera how Stefano predicting selected DVD spins its something else.

It's ok Jefra,  he is not so bad just doesn't understand since he wasn't around long enough. A bit already brained wash but he will awake.

[forester]

Oh thanks Jefra I even did not notice it.
When i read his sentences on first BS  I just jump to next one.

“...but U don t have good maners sometimes and ppl (like snowman and Kelly) are avoiding U!


 Kelly is BSer, BUT DO NOT talk about Snowman as you have no idea what is his opinion about Forester
“

Viper that's really sick. As Jefra told you for Snowman that isn't the truth, and if in last of Kelly's post you couldn't understand why he really left, you do have a problem of understanding people.
So it's very sick false statement that is coming from your mind.

Go have a good sleep, tomorrow will be a nicer day. 

[securityman]

I think viper is so confident that he can tell IF steve is being under handed in anway

LOOOOOOOK at this,,,,,,,,,,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/UNIQUE-MINT-FULL-SIZE-ROULETTE-WHEEL-80CM-G-CARO-PARIS_W0QQitemZ300403919396QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Toys_Casino_RL?hash=item45f1780a24#ht_2305wt_1165


now that is being under handed

so with this proof maybe it is possible to FAKE a live demo,,,,but ppl will still ignore the trees and say its just a wood

I just hope stev takes a coat,,,Birmingham is real cold this time of year

[forester]

Yes, there is a million ways to cheat.

Even if i watch someone predicting videos i would have problem to test it all to be sure everything is ok.

I never published any video to prove anything to anybody.

I published it so you can see how the FF operates.

But if someone wants prove should talk with people from different countries, or perhaps read what Barnett says (casino consultant).

That is what's killing all scammers. 


Recently someone asked me if someone from EU with experience can help him with FFA.  I thought you may do it but it looks as he managed to do it or perhaps he was lucky.

18 spins
13 won
5 lost

means:
18x7= 126 units capital
13x35= 455 units won/net

Didn't tell me tilt or level but whatever it was its better then 1:10 hit rate.
If he tells me same once more I will squeeze him to tell me where the wheel is.
All i know for now, it's close to you.



 

[securityman]

NOW BEAT THAT FORESTER

lol ive heard of a two pin game and a three pin game but a three number ring game,,,,,mmmmmmmmmm thre rings three FFs needed,or???
http://vlsroulette.com/gambling-history-and-casino-life/ige-2010-london/msg96457/#msg96457

 

lets see what the boss says about this wheel,,,,,,,,any comments Men

 

ok im off to bed

cya

[forester]

Cool 

[forester]

Just to finish this thread with results of viper testing with Stefano.

On the end Viper learned that Stefanos testing was scam and cheating.

Read about here

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,904.msg8213.html#msg8213