Author Topic: FFV roulette computer, small 5 mm in height (Read 2059 times)

forester · « **on:** January 20, 2010, 12:59:59 AM »

comming soon
here we go
That's PCB design for FFV RC.

Jefra · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2010, 02:19:40 AM »

SUPER !!!

Hope it will be only for old customers and maybe some special new ones.

BUT first FFV-U is for me

forester · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2010, 09:01:04 AM »

First 2 are for you.

And one I will test for functionality in real environment

Yesterday I sent order for PCB to be made,
Today parts order is completed so I'll go and pick it up.

duffy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2010, 10:00:03 PM »

wow... ;-)

super

how is the conection to earpeace (with BT?)

forester · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2010, 12:02:19 AM »

It is only vibration, FFV-U

CroatianGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2010, 10:59:52 PM »

Can we know the price?

forester · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2010, 12:27:24 AM »

Not for now,
I just gave schematics to manufacture printed circuit board.

kenneth · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2010, 03:17:16 AM »

Can I know roughly when will this be release for sale?

forester · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2010, 10:23:12 AM »

It will be soon,
Actually it should be already done but I am to busy.

kenneth · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2010, 03:58:50 PM »

Will this FFV work for leveled wheels?

forester · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:02:30 PM »

No!

Reality of leveled wheel prediction is that earlier in time from ball drop point we predict we lose in accuracy. That loss has nothing to do with imperfections of system perditions but it is a deviation in ball traveling time to the end of spin from moment when the ball is at particular speed.
For example 1000 ms per rotation ball one spin may travel 6 rotations and next spin the ball from same particular speed may travel ~7 rotations.

That is why as main requirements for leveled wheel prediction is to have device which can process data instantly and without any delay (for example when calling audio files) as FFA can do.
None of mobile phones roulette computers could do it even designers claimed it is a professional device. Losing about 1.5 sec just to initiate audio player in mobile phone was not professional design. Apparently after I highlighted problem they fixed it, but the questions remains, what they were selling earlier?

FFV doesn't pronounce numbers but it uses rotor to display predicted number.
We lose about 2 sec for that. Because the system can predict in any rotation and predictions are very accurate even if we predict very early during the spin (tilted wheel) losing of 2 sec is not critical for such predictions as it would be for leveled wheel.
Sure I can add and leveled wheel calculation and claim anything I want, but that is not my stile.

FFV is only additional tool for some skilled players who are very familiar with FFA and FFZ.

Because it is less then 5 mm is size and because it has everything on single board, it can easy fit in shoe, shirt pocket, or even to hold it in hand.
Results achieved with FFV=U are equal to perfect predictions of VB player who would be able to identify any particular ball rotation he wants and adjust rotor movement based on ball remaining traveling time from that rotation.

Additional advantage of FFV (and FFZ) is that rotor can be cloaked at any position and that position can be completely different then ball clocking.
It is better in some situations. For example devices that talk have to calculate rotor movement from start of the spin when the rotor time is taken. On faster rotor speeds just small mislclicks when cliocking rotor productcing 5-8 pockets error until ball comes to drop point. Devices as FFV or FFZ work differently and such error is reduced.

As you can see FFV is just another option which may be more suitable in some particular conditions.
I am a player I do not just sell devices as some. As such I wouldn't use FFV to play leveled wheel so I wouldn't make it or say it is for leveled wheel when it really is not designed for that.

kenneth · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2010, 04:10:33 PM »

Which system works best on leveled wheels? FFA or FFZ?

viper5 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:02:17 PM »

"""Results achieved with FFV=U are equal to perfect predictions of VB player who would be able to identify any particular ball rotation he wants and adjust rotor movement based on ball remaining traveling time from that rotation."""

It couldn t be any Better!!!!

Perfect

forester · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2010, 11:57:05 PM »

It is not matter of FFZ or FFA,
Calculation is similar; the difference is how the result is passed to the user.

My choice as a single player is always FFZ, most others prefer FFA.

When I am joking I say FFZ is for professionals and FFA is for fags, which of course is not the truth.
When I said that to Viper he instantly wants FFZ instead of FFA.

FFZ is harder to use (you may look in it for 2 weeks and ask yourself what the hell is this, until you start understanding), I like it because it's simple to set it
(No wires) and it's more flexible with rotor clocking which is very important in various casinos environments. But what would someone who never played with advantage in casino know about it. (I do not mean you

)

Perhaps you should know, roulette leveled wheel is hard everything counts to get most optimized prediction as I was explaining earlier.
It is not same as getting hits to rotor like 1:3 or 1:5 on tilted wheel.
On leveled wheel you may get 1:12 or 1:15 and it makes everything harder.
It needs more experience and knowledge to be able to recognize advantage and to be able to keep it during few hours of play.

To confuse you more, I have to say FFA with new program upgraded few days ago is very cool. It is very different principles of prediction then old program was using and FFZ still uses old program. There is a new program for FFZ but only for tilt.

Have a look few videos, if you search you will find and FFZ

abcde123 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2010, 10:41:31 PM »

Hello,

You just said;
"There is a new program for FFZ but only for tilt."
Grate!! So I desparatelly need it !!!
Also new FFV
As you know I need only chips, there is somone with "FF obssesion" who can build the rest.
Is it passible to order two chips immidiatelly?
best abc...

forester · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2010, 12:24:00 AM »

It is possible, someone ordered FFV a month ago and he is still waiting.
This week I will go through program again to check everything once more, do some more testing and it will be ready.
Same program you can be loaded to FFV or FFZ.

New board of FFV would be good for you and your micro priojects.

I have new board for FFZ but I did not try it, all circuit is redesigned.

Talk to me in few days time.

forester · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2010, 11:42:31 PM »

http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/ffv-u-the-simplest-roulette-computer.html

This video should give you an idea how FFV-U works.

forester · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2010, 10:25:38 PM »

Today i made 10 FFV's

Oh yes and i test them, no single mistake, just loving it.

duffy · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2010, 10:30:06 PM »

jjjuuuuuhhhuuuu !!!!

lets start the new generation... of smallest RC

forester · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2010, 10:51:14 AM »

Man are you still in S....... ?

I am going to post it today

duffy · « **Reply #20 on:** March 02, 2010, 07:39:49 PM »

yes

since november.. with my girlfriend and cleaninggirl/2.girlfriend (or somethings;-) and with my "FFA U" sometimes i dont know what is more important ;-) ?
but in april is finish...

do we need a instruction for the new ffv ?

forester · « **Reply #21 on:** March 02, 2010, 07:58:55 PM »

I looked on satellite where you are.
It looks as expensive place to stay, so I thought you may be leaving soon.
Anyway I sent it, I'll send you tracking number in email.
Keep winning, for me one girl is to much

P>S>

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do we need a instruction for the new ffv ?

You almost do not need it, just combine FFA and FFZ

, i'll put it on paper shortly

Bago · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2010, 10:18:29 PM »

Forester said: "FFV doesn't pronounce numbers but it uses rotor to display predicted number."

Forester forgot to mention that it is me who submitted this idea on August, 10th, 2009 and obviously he stole it as if it was his.

forester · « **Reply #23 on:** April 13, 2010, 10:51:10 PM »

It is truth,

Bago is the one who said it would be the best to make computer as FFZ but one which would use rotor to indicate predicted number.

I do not steal ideas, I only listen and accept to make what I think is good.

On the end we ended up with ½ rotor indication.

Bago · « **Reply #24 on:** April 13, 2010, 11:45:35 PM »

Thank you!

Indeed, with the experience i had with roulette computers, i still do not think wearing an induction loop and an earpiece is a good idea because i always encountered a problem with either one or the other, earpieces are very fragile devices, even the most expensive one.

With the rotor zap prediction, you can anticipate and therefore focalize your attention on a single spot, where the zap will occur, contrary to the ball zap prediction which can be disturbing, particularly when you are not trained.
The early predictions are also a plus, because even if noone can debate the fact the later the predictions the more accurate you are, it is always frustrating to be stopped by the dealer because you are placing your chips too late.
In my opinion, it is better to have playable smaller edge than a higher edge with late bets which arise suspicions by the Casino staff.
Psychological aspect must be taken into account. If you are not free in your head and the device is not practical to use, then noone can succeed. Casino conditions are very far from Home conditions, as anyone with experience can confirm.

Now, the only thing is tilted wheels are playable, but as i have already said, it is easier to tilt a wheel or find one reasonably tilted than playing an impossible to beat level wheel with a wide scatter.

Again thanks to Forester for admitting my participation in this new device that seems to please a lot of people.

Regards.

Author Topic: FFV roulette computer, small 5 mm in height (Read 2059 times)

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