Roulette systems paid advertisements to sell

[forester]

Jafco


Stefano



Wondering if you click on this links do you get same web pages as i do???
It is pay per click advertisement on amazon.com

What do you think?

[forester]

ABOUT US:
We are a registered Australian corporation, and have been in operation since 1999. As a corporation, we are subject to strict rules of conduct so you can be sure everything is 100% legal and ethical.

Interesting but 

Development of electronic technology: we are pioneers in the development of mobile heart-rate and blood pressure monitors.

Pioneers and they only exist from 1999 

Claiming and searching sunken vessels: there are literally thousands of unfound and unclaimed sunken vessels in international waters that potentially contain precious metals. At a relatively small cost, but with enormous potential for returns, vessels can be claimed and searched. A successful expidition can return $100+ for every $1 invested.

LOL, similar scam was running one person at gold coast but soon after he run away from Australia. 

We have pioneered designs for an anti-gravity craft called the "lifter", which is the world's most widely replicated anti-gravity experiment. Our lifter designs are by far the best and most efficient to date.

This really smells as Stefano with his roulette computer.

I removed some  Censored Words

[Fatgambler]

Our lifter designs are by far the best and most efficient to date.

Hmm, what makes you believe that second site is from Stefano

[forester]

I believe it is good to see how people present systems for sale.”

After some time you just know how someone's mind works.

There are scammers and the scammers.

[Fatgambler]

“I believe it is good to see how people present systems for sale.”

After some time you just know how someone's mind works.

There are scammers and the scammers.

Well I used irony, which can be hard to spot by just reading my post. :p

I have also seen that site when i bought some roulette related stuff from amazon. And we came to same conclusion.
Anyway cheers from a cold Europe (-15 C)

[forester]

Anyway cheers from a cold Europe (-15 C)

It is still + 15 from (-30)

[MarvintheMartian]

Do you mean jafco is stefano? I dont think thats the case.

[forester]

No , one is in Australia one is in UK.
Bu they have in common to pay for Google advertisements to sell roulette systems.

Since I know Stefano well enough and that he was never any threat to casinos, just a big mouth to sell,
I am wondering what makes Jafco to do the same. Both of them claim to be professional experts in the field but pushing so much just to sell.

[MarvintheMartian]

Forester I dont want to take sides but what's wrong with them advertising? Why would you bring this up?

I have done enough of my own investigating to know a lot of what you say especially about stefano is wrong and I bite my tongue. I dont want to get into it and i like you and ffa but when i comes to the others, I just think you should give it a break. this is not having a go at you.

[forester]

Because paying $0.30 when someone clicks on that link just to show them system you have, which makes $30,000 per week (last year it was $30,000 per hour) doesn't make any sense to me.


Man did you read what is written on that page only sick mind can writer something as that.

I was reading document from court when Stefano “genuine winner” ended in jail for scam.
What he did and how he reacted is same, only someone with no respect for himself and the others could do such thing. Man with healthy mind can't even think about something as that.


There is no single thing about him that I have said wrong, so be careful to not mix what I have said and what has been changed since then.

[MarvintheMartian]

I have zero interest in those issues I am just saying that from my own investigations a lot of what you have said about him is wrong and i sit here biting my tongue knowing personally. Like I said I dont want to get into it. I dont want to create a fuss

[forester]

“I have zero interest in those issues”

I forgot to tell you, this is not just for you.

I am wondering maybe someone will give me some light did Stefano ever show us his antigravity device.
Or it is also secret that can't be shown and tested but only written by him. Did you see any pictures of his ship for treasure searching? Maybe, I missed something.

Marvin, if you have something to say then email me, I really would like to know what you believe I've said wrongly. 

[drwho]

For some reason Forester, you seem overly interested with scammers and what they do and how they work.

I really don't understand why. There are many more interesting things to do than constantly investigate what scammers are doing. I think you're wasting your time allowing them to post on this forum and I think you're wasting your time with threads like this.

No wonder you have had problems with these people in the past. Just let them go and get on with the more positive things in your life.

[forester]

I wasn't investigating anything, all I did was searching amazon.com for a book and found that Stefano and Jafco paying for advertisements.

For me it is very strange, so I wrote about it.

Did I miss to replay on something important because of that?

Do not worry I was testing something that Manuel pointed to me, reading replays and searching net was only at coffee time.

[CLON]

Testing new program(hex)with double rotor??
nisu stefano i jafco krivi sto nemaju znanja i iskustva kao ti da naprave svoj ff..
pa sad prodaju maglu..
 

[forester]

Hey Clon,

Yes you are right but, I am not going to translate it.


Please use latest program, soon I will upgrade “double rotor” .

[MarvintheMartian]

I wasn't investigating anything, all I did was searching amazon.com for a book and found that Stefano and Jafco paying for advertisements. For me it is very strange, so I wrote about it.

so you only just found out they advertise and found it interesting and should tell everyone out of interest? I dont buy it because you wrote about their ads before. looks more like you having another go at them.

some people might find it strange you sell ffa for $2k from a website and say you dont profit. how many can you make in a day and how much do they cost you? dont get me wrong forester i like you and ffa but i dont agree with everything you say and for the most part i dont say anything because i dont want to create fuss

some i learn from personal experience and find your information wrong which is why I'm not ready to accept jafcos computer is crap and again i dont want to get into details. that doesnt mean i dont listen to your advice. jafcos computer might not be as good as ffa i dont know I'm still trying to find out but that doesnt mean it is a scam like you say.

anyway i am here because i want the best computer and not waste time. im looking forward to updates.,

[forester]

You do not know much.

Check the price of FFA when it was made check the cost of components at that time,
check postages to order it consider AUD was lower and then tell me what is the profit.
Oh and do not forget to add at least electricity for using computer 6 months to convert software for from FFZ to FFA then massager to relax my shoulder ..
You are not dumb to not understand that cost of product is not just parts. And if I have $1 left you are going to accuse me of making profit.
How about you make hardware for FFA you manufacture it design PCB and the box, supply it cheaper and I will only supply software.

Profit is when Stefao loads mobile phone with software and sells you $50 phone for $10,000.
Profit is when he buys camera for $100 and convinces people that they need it to set up his computer and sells it for $800-$2,000.

Or perhaps when I take $60 for courier delivery Stefano charges $250. Now tell me where is profit in that.
If  in reality I paid $58 for couriers are you going to accuse me again of making profit.

Recently I gave you a link to order earpieces by yourself.
The price dropped, and I do not want to be bothered with it. If earlier I made $20 on each for ordering them in larger quantities
modifying and sending it to someone that is not really a profit. I sent you one neck loop for free,  you did not ask yourself where is his profit in it.

If you want to argue that you can prove how I made at least $1 profit when somewhere I've wrote that
FF is not really sold to make profit, find some other church to argue.

“I dont buy it because you wrote about their ads before.”

No I did not; show me where I wrote that Jafco is paying advertisements to sell.

And then show me where it was next to Stefano's. Once I did come across Stefano's page where he writes how he is developing electronic kidney but I forgot where it was.

I really would like you to point to me where is his company for electronics kidney development. DOES ANYBODY KNOW?
I want to see it. I showed you the link where he advertises it. Is it secret? Does anybody know?

To which casinos he supplies software for monitoring wheels, then which casino accepts that he sells them software 3 levels less then it is needed so people can not win with using bias. And how casinos accept that even he publicly writes how he supplies better systems to players then to casino. So to whom he is really lying.

Don't you think I have right to be interesting in this.

Also I give them free links so anybody who clicks on link will visit their page.
Isn't that what they want?

It should be, but I believe Stefano doesn't want people who understand to click on this link but people who have no clue who he really is.

“I'm not ready to accept jafcos computer is crap”

And where did I say that his computer is crap/scam.

I only explained to you that his video results are not real results and that is because you asked me about it.
Even he confirmed to you that it is only highlights showing some of the best results. By my opinion it is deceiving same as presentation of his VB.

Get it !!! go to your local casino and try to win, that is all I can tell you. Many tried then they asked me to explain to them why they can't win anything with it.

If winning in casino is so easy as presented by some system sellers there wouldn't be any casinos.

“dont get me wrong forester i like you and ffa but i dont agree with everything you say and for the most part i dont say anything because i dont want to create fuss”

Nobody asks you to agree but more common sense wouldn't hurt.


Well, this was waste of time, but I am a bit allergic when someone trying to point out something that someone else programmed him to believe.
No Marvin I do not hate people I do not discredit them as you have been told.
I only point what they talk and do. If it makes same result, do not blame me for that.

[MarvintheMartian]

I get you dont like him but what applies to you applies to him. I'm sure he has development costs too.

why care about kidneys and amazon ads? I have seen video of the flying device if you google "the lifter" but it's not going to help win roulette. If stefano develops this stuff good on him.

You say I do not know much. I just shut up because i dont want trouble. you dont want to know I dont think ffa is best but I'm not getting into details except ffa and the other get almost same results on same spins except one dvd where other computer is better.

There are not enough dvd spins for realistic wheels to test more to compare which is why i asked for dvds of wheels more like in the casino. so my only option is testing in casino and so far neither computers have been impressive but the other is shaping up better.

I am not programmed. I'm not stupid I consider all information and take into account that what i read is bound to have a little bs from both sides. I dont mean everyone lies I mean that information gets distorted so I have to put the jigsaw together myself.

for the other stuff like ads I just dont see it is justified is all. Can we now just move on? I didnt want to make fuss.

[forester]

I get you dont like him but what applies to you applies to him. I'm sure he has development costs too.

Man can you be more logical, how development of software can be more expensive of development of firmware plus development and manufacturing of  hardware.

If cost of courier service is $58 in Australia it is same cost for him as for myself.
If I take from someone $60 do I really  make profit on it, Stefano takes $250 so I assume someone needs to pay for his advertisements and all 50 web pages he created.

I am not even talking here of development costs. The FF is custom built device.
Mobile phone is something you buy for $50 (no other costs) and load on it Java games. 
 

why care about kidneys and amazon ads? I have seen video of the flying device if you google "the lifter" but it's not going to help win roulette. If stefano develops this stuff good on him.

I do not care what did you see or not, I ask where is Stefao's company that does research.
He advertises it “site promotions”, until recently it was listed at his moms house address,
recently he changed it to PO Box, before he gave me address that doesn't exist.
How he can write his company is pioneer in xxx if it exists only short time
he is not even old enough to be a pioneer in such research. 30 years ago it was already in use.

Last Christmus he showed he is development of microchip computer, wooooo only an idiot can show masking chip on the board and claim it is still developing.

“You say I do not know much. I just shut up because i dont want trouble. you don't want to know
I dont think ffa is best but I'm not getting into details except ffa and the other get almost same results on same spins except one dvd where other computer is better.”

I do not care what you think, if you have something to prove then prove it!
You asked me about Jafcos particular video I explained to you and he even confirmed it.
So what else you want?

There are not enough dvd spins for realistic wheels to test more to compare which is why i asked for dvds of wheels more like in the casino. so my only option is testing in casino and so far neither computers have been impressive but the other is shaping up better.

Sure there is no magic stick and that is what I am telling you all the time.
The only tests that counts is in casino or perhaps what Barnett is doing with FFA.

Tests are only to give you an idea what you can expect on some kind of wheels. It still doesn't mean that you will get it in casino even the wheel looks the same.

I am not programmed. I'm not stupid I consider all information and take into account that what i read is bound to have a little bs from both sides. I don't mean everyone lies I mean that information gets distorted so I have to put the jigsaw together myself.
for the other stuff like ads I just dont see it is justified is all. Can we now just move on? I didnt want to make fuss.

You do not want to make trouble but you do. Nobody is stopping you to move on in any direction you want. Nobody asked you to like this thread or to dislike. You started thread about Jafco's video and I gave you my opinion.

I do not think that I BS at all. All I said and explained ever on this forum still stands. It applies to PDA's mobile phones, audio files delay, and FF. All what I wrote what Stefano did to manipulate people is truth, same as that he was already jailed for previous scam.

I'll translate to you what CLON wrote.

Is not that Stefano and Jafco are guilty because they do not have knowledge and experience to make their own FF. so they selling a fog.

And it's correct.

Even Stefano admitted that programmed microprocessor is much faster and accurate but it would be good to add extra features. So multimillion dollar man until now couldn't spare $20k+  for proper development of professional device. He couldn't even remove firmware form mobile to not get interrupted when mobile searches and talks with tower.
Do you have any idea how GSM network works and what is constantly required from mobile phone when OS is running?

Bottom line to anybody here is, if you have found something better then FF I am happy to know more about it.

[MarvintheMartian]

forester I dont care about any of that stuff and why should you if the results of what matters are what they are? what has a po box and the other stuff got to do with anything?

If you were wrong about important issues, what else are you wrong about? but who cares.

My results suggest you arent as knowledgeable as you think. or lets just leave it at I'm dumb and cant test two devices and see which is better, and you are smart and know everything and ffa is best.

[MarvintheMartian]

last thing im not trying to argue but I try to set something straight and you talk about po boxes and kidneys. i mean come on. i knew it would make a fuss if i opened my mouth thats why i didnt do it before

[forester]

Why don't you leave your kids with pedophile, to taker care for them overnight?
Fact that someone was a pedophile has nothing to do with taking care for kids.

You want to convince me that fact that person who was in jail for scam and who cheated on my friend in Croatia
selling him toy roulette computer inside mobile phone and refusing to refund him money is good person to deal with.
To make it worst when same person contacted me asked for help because I live in Australia Stefano was lying to all world that
I am just discrediting him and that nothing is truth.


The point I highlight this link and paid advertisement is simple but you still can't understand it.
Didn't you notice that he never lists this page with the others, it is targeting completely different group of people who has no idea about him.

It is not me who talks about kidney but him I just points out his stupidities wondering where is the company.

If you were wrong about important issues, what else are you wrong about? but who cares.

Mate that is not fair without pointing what and where I was wrong.
We all do care.

I could see from miles away where you are leading to.
So do not go around and bark.
It is ok to be specific. It's ok to be wrong.
So I want to know what is so important where I was wrong?

If you want to be first person who wants to say Stefano's or Mark's computer works
Fell free to do it.

[forester]

last thing im not trying to argue but I try to set something straight and you talk about po boxes and kidneys. i mean come on. i knew it would make a fuss if i opened my mouth thats why i didnt do it before

Marvin, when you were making last post you forgot to hide your IP address.
Coincidently it is same group as Stefano's. 

[win292]

Marvin, when you were making last post you forgot to hide your IP address.
Coincidently it is same group as Stefano's. 
[/quote]

hehe, that is interesting! Has he bought ff from you? Forester.