Has anyone bought Jafco's system?

[viper5]

Maxim and Sahara must have preety easy wheels to let u do that

[JuliArt]

Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum but have been reading for a while. I myself also one of Jafco's customers (his VB not the RC.) I'm not here to try to protect or attack anyone. I just want to confirm that Jafco is really a gentlemen and his after sale service is second to none.

Believe it or not once, i talked to him about his RC and said that i would like to get one but i'm not in a financial position to afford it at the moment. He even told me that i should contact forester for the RC because he knows that i live in Australia !!

The only thing that i regret is that i wish i live in the same country as him because he also want me to visit him for more tuition.

[doris day]

Maxim and Sahara must have preety easy wheels to let u do that

Easy. Hard. Its all relative

[viper5]

Juli art

I am also a customer of Jafcos VB method...

all of his customers know that he is a true Jentelman...Noone will tell u the oposite here.

I also like him a lot!

I am also a customer of Forester ...so as i can tell u that Jafcos VB works...I can also tell u that FFA works too

[viper5]

 Doris
If u think that easy and hard  wheels is relative then Go and play only in hard wheels and tell me the resaults....

hahahhaha

[forester]

Gentleman or not it has nothing to do with winning at roulette.
Also nobody is comparing roulette computer with VB here.
Of course that précised measurement increase accuracy, but also is truth that VB is legal while RC's are not. Under right conditions player can win more with VB then with computer even if it may take 5 times longer.

Since people discovered tilted wheel effect, they tried to develop methods how to identify particular ball revolution. Reason for that is because they couldn't just estimate it.

That is why today we have known methods such as cross patterns, using only parts of rotor, counting time, timers...etc.
Jafco has method of using a timer to observe rotor movement in particular time frame so the player can make adjustments for faster or slower rotor. Most people do it one or the other way.

Jafco explains effect of tilted wheel but until now he did not find a method which could help player to identify particular ball revolution which is essential for roulette visual prediction. 

Sure it is not important if rotor doesn't move at all. No matter in which rotation you read rotor reference number it will be always same.  You really test quality of VB with increased rotor speed because then mistakes are more visible.

Spin the rotor 2 sec per rev, then try to estimate and you will clearly see mistakes. Then you will discover that even if you have same amount of rotations to the end that you still can have prediction wrong by ~18 pockets.

It is a good start and it may open eyes to many people what advantage play is, but by my opinion Jafco's VB  is not a solution.

Perhaps someone can explain to me what is so special in the system that i did not notice.
This is how i see it.:
1)Rotor check, ...same as anybody else, he has to make card for every particular wheel ball combination, the others do not. Cards are less practical but it may help unexperienced player.

2)The ball, the others define ball rotation, Jafco only estimates it.

3) 2-3 pin game, nothing to do with estimating ball or with Jafcos rotor timing, it is an effect created on tilted wheel with adequate slow rotor speed. By my understanding even wrongly explained.

4) Overlapping wrong  prediction with ball scatter pick points, (not explained by Jafco)...

Also i do not understand which skilled advantage player and for which money wouldn't mind to show his face and spend 6 hours with anybody who wants to see him. If stranger asks me and pays me $5000 just to have a coffee with him and talk about roulette I would refuse. I can't even imagine bringing someone to comfort of my home to show him how FF works.  Some VB players even changed name to be able to play at some places.

[doris day]

You really are a small minded, mealy mouthed individual, besides being totally incomprehensible at times. Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. Did you use Google translator by any chance because its total gobbledegook ?
The simple matter is is that roulette can be beaten using numerous methods and for some strange reason you have such an ungenerous spirit you won't accept any other methods as being valid other than your own.
Frankly I think your negativity sucks and although I had at one time thought of buying FFZ, I've decided to give your site and forum a wide berth from now on (stick that in Google translator) and I certainly won't be buying anything from you.
We're all looking to find an edge and rather than the co-operation I found when trying to beat blackjack back in the 70's and 80s, I find the roulette community obsessed by egos and point scoring.
Life really is too short to deal with people like you, so I'm off.
Give your wife my condolences.........

[MarvintheMartian]

What is going on here? What it looks like to me is someone under multiple names. I might be wrong but it looks like that.

About vb I dont think there would be any way ever to beat a level wheel with vb. You would have enough trouble doing it with a computer. Doris if you really did do $30k winnings I think it would have been a fluke. I dont believe it though no offense people just dont brag about that stuff.

I dont know jafco I do hear both good and bad things about him. I hear good and bad things about the others also. I figured the only way to know the truth is to buy at least whatever seems most credible. I just got faa and so far so good but I havent learned all things yet.

There is so much hostility in roulette forums and between sellers. Doris if you are jafco just chill because if you are legit your customers are all that matters.

[JuliArt]

What is your last paragraph means forester?

Suppose if i want to buy your RC can I arrange for a live demonstration before i buy?
1900$ is not a little money so, I may need to see the product in live action before i can make a decision.

[forester]

Doris , did i in any way say that nobody can win with VB or without FF.
All i said is what is missing with Jafco's system. You like it or not it is a fact.
For you it may be something new to read, for me it is only basic.

Can you tell me one process in his system that is better then for example UWE system ort LS system in helping player to identify particular ball revolution?

If you can then you may be right, but i didn't see any.  Can you separate any sentence in my text and say it is wrong? (excluding English mistakes, since it looks that is the only one where you can find me wrong for your argument)

Get real JuliArt, I do not sell my face to anybody and I do not even show pictures of FF. My objective was never product marketing at any cost.
I do not need to invite people to my home to convince them in anything. It is your choice, you can buy FF but you can't buy me and my personal time. Apparently Stefano and Mark are doing it, it looks as Jafco as well. I do not think that Lurance would do it, maybe we just have different personality or different priorities. I sell FF as it is, it will produce better advantage then any VB, it will even predict levelled wheel, but i really have no time for peoples experiments.

You read this site, you observe your wheels, if you believe you can put this 2 together you get it if not who cares.
I did not come to net with webpage, hey guys i am an expert this is miracle you will just win.
I come up with E2 which was free, i only charged few $ to make electronics circuit.
Some of units i even supplied for free for testing.
FF come as a result of people who were contributing, we were learning together.
All the others introduced themself to public as experts, somehow they have great system but for some reason they need to sell it. In usual provided information is misleading, and deceiving.

I am trying to tell you reality. But sometimes is hard same as when i listen 2 of my friends talking.
Ivan caught catfish that tail was hanging down from 8 T Anto's track. Now you try to figure out, is the fish really so big, or the track was too small or they both were drunk.

About vb I dont think there would be any way ever to beat a level wheel with vb. You would have enough trouble doing it with a computer.

I like this sentence.

[doris day]

What is going on here? What it looks like to me is someone under multiple names. I might be wrong but it looks like that.

About vb I dont think there would be any way ever to beat a level wheel with vb. You would have enough trouble doing it with a computer. Doris if you really did do $30k winnings I think it would have been a fluke. I dont believe it though no offense people just dont brag about that stuff.

Did I say we beat level wheels ? And I wasn't bragging. It was a rejoinder to Forrester's post.

I dont know jafco I do hear both good and bad things about him. I hear good and bad things about the others also. I figured the only way to know the truth is to buy at least whatever seems most credible. I just got faa and so far so good but I havent learned all things yet.

There is so much hostility in roulette forums and between sellers. Doris if you are jafco just chill because if you are legit your customers are all that matters.

You're paranoid. I think Jafco is too much of a gentleman to have made my previous post. I'm just a client of his and if you don't want to believe that, it just consolidates my opinion that these roulette forums are a waste of space.

What I am glad about is that I did meet Jafco as I was able to learn much more from him than I could from the printed page.

Forrester, while I'm sure you're a knowledgeable guy about certain things (although there are some elements of roulette that you appear to know nothing about), you have an attitude problem which you really need to work on and I can assure you your overly aggressive stance has probably done you more harm than good. You'll find that sometimes being magnanamous can return great rewards.

You reap what you sow in life and you should make an effort to understand that.

Anyway, that really is my last post. I wish you well. Remember, we're all trying to do the same thing here and an atmosphere of bitching and point scoring is not one that engenders positive development.

[forester]

What, because I talk about system explained in document.
You tell me which part I explained isn't correct?

Jafco has no way to identify particular ball revolution except estimating it.
So what did I say wrong?

His rotor timing with cards is more complicated then what is should be.
If you know enough you would also know that just by ball look and size you can't define rall ball travelling time for particular amount of rotations. So each card needs to be alternated.
All player needs to know is remaining time, and observe the wheel in 1 or 2 sec time interval. It is silly to use cards when he already uses timer. From all VB systems all what he did dropped method how to identify particular ball rotation, and added cards for beginners.

And you want to convince me, it's something great.
What do you want me to say? Oh, it is a great solution because he is a nice person.
Man, if King forgot to dress he is naked.
If you have argument then spit it out.

“although there are some elements of roulette that you appear to know nothing about”

Someone who comes and asks basic questions comes to that conclusion because someone else convinced him in to something else. But you still did not point to single thing and said Forester you misunderstood that part.

[securityman]

What is your last paragraph means forester?

Suppose if i want to buy your RC can I arrange for a live demonstration before i buy?
1900$ is not a little money so, I may need to see the product in live action before i can make a decision.

You might be lucky to meet forester if you live or go to Australia

but if your in EU ill gladly meet and give you FULL demo and explain the basics of the FF

the ball is in your court now

ok regards
Securityman

[JuliArt]

What is your last paragraph means forester?

Suppose if i want to buy your RC can I arrange for a live demonstration before i buy?
1900$ is not a little money so, I may need to see the product in live action before i can make a decision.

You might be lucky to meet forester if you live or go to Australia

but if your in EU ill gladly meet and give you FULL demo and explain the basics of the FF

the ball is in your court now

ok regards
Securityman

Hi securityman

I live in Australia at the moment and if i'm not wrong same city with forester as well that is why i asked him for a chance of full demo. I truly appreciate your offer to give me a full demo but I am not living in EU.

I will say no more about jafco's methods or technics because this conversation will never end. Everyone can have their own opinions and I respect that.

I do believe that Forester's RC is a very good one. However, without having an opportunity to see a demo it is hard to make a decision that cost 1900$. So, if i however decide to buy Forester's RC what else can I get except the computer itself?

[securityman]

Sorry but i cant coment on forester meeting you,hees a very busy man ,,but try and ask him,to ask costs nothing(lol i should knowand heel probably tell you)

W hat youll get with FF,is as follows

1) UNLIMITED SUPPORT, live online support from Forester and many of te FF owners themselfs
2) Instant acces to suport section,,,,,there is where owners of all models of FF come to share there experience/problems and ideas
3) Instant acces to devolepment section where where all owners of the FF come togehter and try to advance the FF roulette computer ,hence the arrival of the new FFa-u
4)Instant acces to the forester VB2 visual balists system,where you can ask all you want directly to the inventor himself

I hope ive covered your quistion(lol if forester reads all that hell probably put up the price)

Regards from your very own

Securityman

[forester]

Is not so much that I am busy, I just do not spend time and space demonstrating RC.
I am in QLD you are in Vic. Which is $1800km distanced and as some people know I am not at home until Monday.

I will say no more about jafco's methods or techniques because this conversation will never end. Everyone can have their own opinions and I respect that.

That is truth, but I think it is unfair, believing my comments are just to discredit Jafcos system without analysing what I have said. Especially if you know that I moved this thread to private forum section and that Jafco asked to leave it open for discussion. While for someone new to AP it may be 3rd dimension, for me it is missing one dimension. That is all.

I do believe that Forester's RC is a very good one. However, without having an opportunity to see a demo it is hard to make a decision that cost 1900$.

Price is always high for someone who is buying. FF is custom made device, it includes a lot.
If I am up to real marketing and up to sales then perhaps I would sell it for $5,000 to $10,000 each unit, and consider meeting people to convince them to buy it.
To build FF it requires a lot, if I add time spent on design, programming and divide prices of sales I actually lose money. Since the FF is something I want and it is getting better and better it is not important for me to make profits from sales. If you understand that, you will understand and that I have no reason to discredit anybody. People who buy mobile phone for $50 load program on it and sell it for $10,000 do have reasons since all they do are sales.

To confuse you even more I want you to understand that the FF is only good as a user and conditions that is facing. Even the FF is great device it still doesn't mean that it is easy and guaranteed way to win.

@ Security man, I understand that you are friendly guy and willing to help everyone.
But be careful, I believe you know what has happened after one FF was demonstrated to group of 5 people in real environment.

[vandamme]

This message is to all man talk bad about John from jafco service
i meet him today and he is a real seller a real man and not is mark own
so who said John dont have nothing ahahhaha make a big error because i think is the one have a real device work perfect and real,and please come on stop to lick the ace to forrester because he have Maybe Somthing but am sure 100% dont have a device like john,my testimonial is real because im in the country from john,now please evryone shut up thank you .

[forester]

where did you see that someone talked bad about Jafco.

That Jafco is Mark it was written on Stefano's system reviews page, not here.

If you want to discuss what is wrongly explained about Jafcos system then discuss it, we may correct it.

“he have Maybe Somthing but am sure 100% dont have a device like john”
Sure that FF is not as his. FF is designed for accurate time measurements, he only loads program on top of PDA's operating system.
Sure you understand what it means

[vandamme]

i can guaranted is NOT absolutly MArk,yes i understand what he do whit the PDA but to me its' important the prediction i mean the stimate number,to me its sufficent like this im sure whit the jafco sistem anyone can win whit out problems,maybe you enviu a little john because he located in europe and he can have more costumer ?? and you are located in australia and its very hard to come there just to me you and your sistem to me importat is the pda work fine ,maybe you have a different device but i not read any time whit your sistem someone become rich or post some real testimonial,and please again forrester i dont like your friend realy to me its like a little dog seems they ask eat evryday come on please buy someone to eat rent a plane and send !!! thank you for your time

[forester]

You are funny, i like when Jafco sells his system, then people start understanding and you will one day if you start using your brain instead of your ace.

Is Jafco banned from all casinos in UK to play, so he has to spend time with people like you to sell the system?

I mean, VB is perfectly legal to play, if he can get 10% of what he shows on video when playing  in real casino, there is no need for him to make his place a hotel, for people who want to learn VB. 

I definitely know there are some great wheels over there.

[vandamme]

Dear forester,i never ask a man i meet the same day his personal business,if John is banned from all casino in Uk sincerly is  problems,but i want to remamber you in evry europe we have a casinos,and the ticket about fly its too low price in this time,maybe he get a plane go and play and come back,also he sell that for his profits whit out problems,today he show me the first day of traiding and i can guarante the pda work perfect,and im very happy to learn from him,bacause is a man like John its very difficult to find,anyway i understand you are a real professionist like you write and about your theory,but forester no ONE will send you money just because you are a Leader here.
your guys must learn dot relaved one more time my name,or my Id right did you know the confidental
have a good night

[MarvintheMartian]

I dont understand the issues here. Vandamme you are defending jafco right? Does it seem strange to anyone else that a bunch of new people here come out of the blue to defend jafco?

Can anyone send me any of jafcos material so I can see myself if it is rubbish or not? I might not be the best expert around but I do know what does or does not work.

[forester]

vandamme, i really believe that you should learn from Jafco.
Your levels of understanding will improve a lot.
Be grateful that he wants to spend time with you since he definitely knows more then you.

If I say Jafco only estimates ball speed you can't say that I am wrong just because you believe he is a nice guy. If you do not believe me then read his document and you will see that I said nothing wrong.

“no ONE will send you money just because you are a Leader here.”
Sure no one will do it, they do it just because i am a nice person.

Marvin, if you read first posts of vandamme you will understand more.
Yes it is strange so many people defending something that is not attacked.
However none of them did not challenge what was explained wrong about Jafcos system.

[win292]

However none of them did not challenge what was explained wrong about Jafcos system.

They cant, because they know nothing about VB. They jump to conclusion without thinking properly.

[securityman]

This message is to all man talk bad about John from jafco service
i meet him today and he is a real seller a real man and not is mark own
so who said John dont have nothing ahahhaha make a big error because i think is the one have a real device work perfect and real,and please come on stop to lick the ace to forrester because he have Maybe Somthing but am sure 100% dont have a device like john,my testimonial is real because im in the country from john,now please evryone shut up thank you .

Hi Vnadamme

telling ppl to sut up ,mmmmmmmmm im sure John as ive heard being described as a  pure gentelman

then please try to follow your teacher,and be one also,

here is foresters original reply to first post


I know only one person but he claimed that ithe system doesnt work.

This doesn't necessary means that it is a bad system maybe conditions under which he used the system were not the best.

now what was so wrong about that answer??

lol kissing foresters arce,,,theres noone that keeps a heeted debate and constructfull criticisum as I

about the devie your correct ,,100% correct Johns device is nothing like foresters ,and yes he is in Australia,but I my freind are not ,ie i can and have demonstrated in the past and I hope in the future to all who all who wish to meet me in the EU how the FF works and its capabilities

to say the least Mike Barnett(top casino security consultant) has only ever tested and POSITIVELY comented on the FF roulette computer
that to me says something about Jafcos(mark howes) roulette computer(pda)

I say to you now,,,,,,,,,I PUBLICLY CHALLENGE YOUR DEVICE FROM JAFCOS AGAINST MY OLD VERSION OF FF,

NOONE  from this forum has ever said anything untoward against Jafcos vb system or his roulette computer ,just that some find it hard to understand how it could generate a constant and substantial edge over real casino condidtions

an opion was asked for and we gave it

so ill will not shut up as you put it,,the ball my friend is clearly is in your hands
Lmao the thing is I know where its going to land