Has anyone bought Jafco's system?

[Yous]

Arnold what if i say that you are mark howe and u dont like competetitors and that is why you are doing all this to make jafco and his users look bad? now ofcourse as soon as you read this you'll have a laugh. and that was the same for me, when u called me mark howe, now the funny thing is that before you called mark howe, then his associate, and when i proved that im anti-mark howe, you made me an associate of mark howe under a different name, so i mean, that shows that u arnt lookin for reality but ways to twist facts, and u talk bout genuine winner? i have genuine winner and i wish i had paid 2500 USD to keep stefano away from me, instead of paying all that and dealing with him as well. anyways, i have my point, good luck to u,

Peace out.

[esspri]

I know jafco personally and has witnessed his skill. He is one in a million. I work as a dealer and I have known him for a while. He is a credit to professional play. I copied my section spinning technique from him i do not know if he knows.

[arnold]

..i do not know if he knows...

Classic

[esspri]

..i do not know if he knows...

Classic

do not get me wrong i did not mean that in a negative way. He has given me loads of tips and advice that he thought i would not apply and i learned a little faster than he expected. That's what i meant.

[arnold]

No worries, just thought it was funny that you had one over on him 

[forester]

Yous,


I will have to disappoint you

Vibe Jefcos roulette system

It is as a guide for idiots. Well prepared as a document and explained but it is more as for retarded person entertaining himself?
2,3,to 4 rotations to the end and estimation when to predict is not the only problem.

No, the  system is not a scam , but it doesn't worth much, it may be good for someone who wants to start somewhere. It is well prepared document but the guy is missing logic, and practicability. Using cards is really for retarded, it can be done automatically.
 
What he calls 2 or 3 pin games it is not his system and as he calls it his system third dimension. It has nothing to do with his system it is happening with every system under particular conditions. If you look video FFA on tilt I was explaining it.

I think he is selling it for few hundred dollars, and by my opinion even old Laurence's Scotts material would be much better option. I said OLD.

At GG I was involved in one discussion where someone was promoting jefcos system. After reading material most what upsets me was that same person claimed that jefco teaches you how to measure rotor and Laurence doesn't. Well I thought he teaches you how to get extreme precision as some VB players claim to have, but I did not find anything as that. Just a basic.

Estimating particular ball revolution on his wheel where the ball decelerates (measured by FFA) 330 ms is much easier compared to real casino conditions. Where it could  be almost 3 times less (120ms).

To anybody who played visual balistic, all what he wrote in his documents can be explained in 3 lines.

1.Time the rotor,
2.Adjust
3.Estimare ball revolution

And he will do the job much faster and more précised then if he was using cards.

[esspri]

Yous,


I will have to disappoint you

Vibe Jefcos roulette system

It is as a guide for idiots. Well prepared as a document and explained but it is more as for retarded person entertaining himself?
2,3,to 4 rotations to the end and estimation when to predict is not the only problem.

No, the  system is not a scam , but it doesn't worth much, it may be good for someone who wants to start somewhere. It is well prepared document but the guy is missing logic, and practicability. Using cards is really for retarded, it can be done automatically.
 
What he calls 2 or 3 pin games it is not his system and as he calls it his system third dimension. It has nothing to do with his system it is happening with every system under particular conditions. If you look video FFA on tilt I was explaining it.

I think he is selling it for few hundred dollars, and by my opinion even old Laurence's Scotts material would be much better option. I said OLD.

At GG I was involved in one discussion where someone was promoting jefcos system. After reading material most what upsets me was that same person claimed that jefco teaches you how to measure rotor and Laurence doesn't. Well I thought he teaches you how to get extreme precision as some VB players claim to have, but I did not find anything as that. Just a basic.

Estimating particular ball revolution on his wheel where the ball decelerates (measured by FFA) 330 ms is much easier compared to real casino conditions. Where it could  be almost 3 times less (120ms).

To anybody who played visual balistic, all what he wrote in his documents can be explained in 3 lines.

1.Time the rotor,
2.Adjust
3.Estimare ball revolution

And he will do the job much faster and more précised then if he was using cards.

The system is only £200 pounds so of course there will be limitations.

He is not going to share his entire 25 year experience of winning at roulette for £200. However, his customer service is second to none and you can make thousands with his technique so it is good value for money.

I think all roulette pros like jafco, forrester, kelly and laurance scott need to come together and support each other.

I work for a casino and i know what length these horrible casino's will go to stop the professional. Luckily the casino's do not think it's possible to make decent money from VB.
Therefore, they have no reason to come out with countermeasures.

even though i am a dealer I SUPPORT ALL PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND WORK AT THEIR SKILL. PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS NEED TO COME TOGETHER LIKE HOW THE CARD COUNTERS AND POKER PLAYERS DO. I WANT TO SEE VB AND PROFESSIONAL PLAY PROGRESS.

[Kelly]

 Where are you dealing esspri ?  I like your view at AP`s, if that goes for the entire staff i might come see you guys one day :-).

[arnold]

So what about his vibrator and watch?

Do you have them Forester?
Are they not what all his system is mainly based?

[Yous]

I agree with esspri, instead of fighting forester, jafco, kelly and laurence scott should come together, cause there have been too many years of fighting, way too many. i personally respect forester, jafco and kelly because these 3 professionalls, are actually Professional "PLAYERS" cause they actually go out and win money.

[esspri]

Where are you dealing esspri ?  I like your view at AP`s, if that goes for the entire staff i might come see you guys one day :-).

For obvious reasons I have to be very careful when giving details over the internet about
mentioning who i work for. However, i deal in the UK. And have a few years experience.

[forester]

So what about his vibrator and watch?

Do you have them Forester?
Are they not what all his system is mainly based?

Well, you might be right since jefco's roulette system I wouldn't define as a system at all.
It is only explanation of tilted wheel effect.
If we accept tilted wheel theory as valid, and assume that we will have increased percentage of ball falling at one particular diamond.

System might be a regularly interacting or interdependent group of processes forming a unified whole.
We need to combine in to system at least two processes to take advantage of tilted  wheel effect.
 
One is to identify particular ball revolution during the spin.

Reason for that is that after identifying it we can say from that particular revolution the ball may make additional 4 revolutions until it drops. It also means that the ball will travel (close to) same time in seconds until it drops.

Jefco's system doesn't offer any process how to do it except that after some time if you practice and if wheel has high ball deceleration you might estimate it correctly.

If you look Laurance's Scott system he offers you “cross pattern” or “sound” as a method how to do it, same as UWE system. My VB2 doesn't identify particular ball revolution, it can predict in any, but result is same as if you've done it in your targeted ball revolution.

The other needed process is adjustment for various rotor speeds.
If we identify that at particular moment in spin we are let's say 4 ball revolutions until the ball drops which may be let's say 6 seconds of time. If rotor is with different speed it would travel different distance in that particular time, so we need to have adjustment for that. Jefco's system offers that on very basic way (already most common way) and even complicates it with cards that player needs to look for each particular scenario. 

So nothing new, nothing better and nothing unknown is explained. However it is explained on fine way for reader to understand tilted wheel principles.

Jefco, as well as some other roulette sellers in his document refers to article of huge roulette win by Ritz Team (2 Serbian guys from Croatia). I find it cheap and annoying.
 
Yours,
I never fight with Kelly and Laurence neither do they. 

***The system is only £200 pounds so of course there will be limitations.
He is not going to share his entire 25 year experience of winning at roulette for £200. However, his customer service is second to none and you can make thousands with his technique so it is good value for money.

I do nto know if £200 is cheap it is $400AUD. I can't argue with you if you claim that he has more knowledge then what is written in his document.

you can make thousands with his technique

I don't think that I would make anything in my local casino with it, even I believe that I have extra then ordinary skill to identify particular revolution with just observing.
Since FF can teach me that and I have it for years. Even my VB requires from me to estimate particular ball revolution. However with my system if I miss it the system adjusts for my mistake and produces same valid result.

But yes, perhaps at some other place and better conditions it might be possible to easier win with what Jefco teaches.

[arnold]

Have you got a link to your VB2?
Thanks

[Yous]

Forester, i never said that you fight, i was just saying about all the stuff thats goes around on different forums, isnt the best of the best. so yeah

[forester]

Arnold,

You can find link at bottom of this page.
http://www.myrulet.com/index.php/myrulet-visual-prediction.html

It might be hard to understand.

I provide free basic idea how roulette visual prediction is done my way and some support in dedicated forum section.

Up to now only few people took time and effort to understand it, but when they did they got pleasantly surprised.
At some reasonable conditions you can have equally accurate prediction in any 5 to 15 rotations to the end. Since even ordinary person can estimate ball rotation within 2-3 rotations of accuracy errors are reduced which gives him opportunity to play wider conditions

[viper5]

PLEASE try to help me out with this...

when u are at the right time to make the "prediction" to which spot of the bowl u look at???

thanks!

[viper5]

can anyone answer me???

i really wan t to know the factors that make u look at the right spot

[Kelly]

Wheel speed. If you predict 9 seconds out, a 3.0 sec rotor will have moved 3 full revoloutions and a 4.0 rotor will have moved 2.25 revoloutions. The reading point for the 4 sec wheel speed is moved 3/4 of a wheel.  So if the reading point for 3.0 secs is 12 o clock, the reading point for 4.0 sec rotors will be 9 o clock or 3 o clock depending on wheel/ball direction. That is the rotor position, the scatter is most likely to be a little different too, so the reading point is likely to be adjusted another 2 - 3 pockets if the bounce is slightly shorter for the slower rotor.

When i read your question, im afraid this answer won`t help you much, but that is the answer to your question.

[forester]

Hello viper,

I received your pm but you also made question here, and it is better since you may get different opinions. 

With roulette visual prediction you have a dominant diamond, particular ball rotation, and final result.

In usual you always start to read reference number under your dominant diamond when the ball is in particular rotation to the end. That is your reference number, but it doesn't have to be prediction number.
What if your reference number is zero and the ball stops 9 pockets from there at number 34.
And if that distance of 9 pockets repeats most of the time.

You can get reference number and manually add 9 pockets as an offset.
Or you can just shift your observation point by 9 pockets then your reference number will be and your prediction number.

If your dominant diamond was at 12 o'clock and if the ball is in CW then your observation point would be at 3 o'clock.

After that comes what Kelly explained. You adjusting your observation point according to rotor speed. But you do not have to, you can keep same point but if rotor is faster add more pockets to your prediction.
Also i believe Kelly explained it more as a theory which may not be very practical.

It is as converting USD to euro then back again to USD to buy something.
How do we measure rotor speed?

Most of the time in pockets that rotor makes in our reference time.
So we get data in pockets. Let say we use timer 1 sec, if rotor makes 9 pockets during our reference time, in real play we do not need to know that it's rotor speed of 4.11 sec per rotation. Who cares, since we need to know how much we need to shift prediction in pockets not in seconds.

If we keep data in pockets then it is much simpler to know how much to shift prediction or observation point.

Let say next spin rotor makes 10 pockets in our reference time of one sec.
It means that rotor makes 1 pocket extra per sec. So if remaining time is 9 seconds as in Kelly's example all you need to do is to add difference, 1x9=9 pockets.
If rotor made 12 pockets then it would be 12-9=3 pockets difference in rotor speed so 3x 9sec=27.

This way you looking only for changes in rotor speed and adjusting, you do not need to convert it to rotor time per rotation.
This way also doesn't require from you to know exact remaining time, since you following changes in that time whatever the time is. It might not be 9 sec. So if rotor with 12 p/s doesn't make ball drop by 27 pockets more, but by 36. Then your remaining time is 12sec. But again you do not need to know it. All you need to know is that if you have 9 pockets/s rotor you have offset zero same as with 12p/s.
So 10/p/s will be 1/3 of whatever 12p/s makes  and 11ps rotor will make 2/3 of it.... etc or anything in between.

[viper5]

thank u for ur reply Mr forester
it was very complete!
but in the most cases the weel have at list 2-3 diferent drop points....
what can u do with that?

[forester]

Lol , i do not know , i asume VB that you use can handle it.

[Kelly]

Use Jafcos  2 or 3 pin game. 

[Yous]

i reccon jafco's 2 or 3 pin game, its very hard to master, but i truley believe that you can beat 99% of the wheels if you learn the 3 pin game.

[forester]

Rubbish,
It is not the system it is the law of tilted wheel.
Nothing to master, you play it same as one pin game.

If CW ball makes 3 rotations and hits 12 o'clock diamond and stops on zero it is normal that if ball made 2.25 rotations, hits 3 o'clock, ~zero will be there.

But more likely that if targeting 3 revolutions to the end you will get 3.25 more often then 2.25 since 2.25 is much slower ball and 3.25 is very close to 3.0.

Same principle applies to LS cross pattern or to UWE or any other prediction targeting particular ball revolution. 

Jefco recommends to use first of dominant diamonds, then this principle is valid. But same as that he equally could use second one.

Then 
If we observe diamond at 3 o‘clock and if ball makes 3 rotations and hits same diamond we get ok prediction, But we get good prediction even if the ball passes the diamond. Because that ball will go for another ¾ of rotation and hit our diamond at 12 o'clock. Predicted number will be there since rotor has moved.

It's irrelevant do we chose first or second diamond, it always happening that at particular rotor speed results will overlap.  This has nothing to do with any of systems and we need to select most dominant diamond.

So, can someone explain to me what is there to master it and how do you play it differently then single (pin) diamond? Maybe I am missing something.

One more thing, about his cards.

They can't be accurate for every kind of wheel; it can be accurate for only one particular wheel since time of ball traveling 3 or 4 last revolutions will not be the same on every wheel. Also particular ball material doesn't define it and he forgot that not all balls are same in diameter.

If he wants to use cards (for slow people and beginners) he should make selection of cars on different principles. Not by ball type plus targeted amount of rotations to the end.

Since he already uses timer, player should after targeted ball rotation count timer pulses and define remaining time. Then select card according to time length. When remaining time is known then is irrelevant which kind of ball is used or which kind of wheel is played.

[viper5]

I can t understand why u attack on Jefco?

isn t he a professional VB player?

i saw his videos of his RS and i don t think that any other is so accurate....
it even tells u no to bet!!!