UWE Roulette VB Method

[Kelly]

Snowman has taught me a lot, but ask him wether the article i wrote on rotor wobble and pocket bias was not wrote BEFORE i bought snows book, because it was. How could i write about rotor wobble 6 - 9 months before i bought his book ? No other books mention so detailed anything about biased wheels.  Because there are already bias teams in europe, and i was with them for a while. Only, they kept the knowledge in mouth to mouth, all i could do was pick up from conversation. Snow put basicly the exact same info, very detailed,  in writing.
The amounts in Nice is correct and i was happy for the winnings with 40 placed bets where the first 12 spins came down like this around my prediction

3.XXXX
2.XXX
1.
P.
1.
2.XXX
3.XXXX

Which means that i lost the first 12 spins, betting 3 numbers,  although extremely close.
400 Euro paid for the flight and expenses and arriving at 10 and leaving at 00.30 the winnings was ok. Never said it was a big win Please post the link or  cut the lies.  But you are the real expert in here so obviously you would have made a lot more in no time with no tracking which was what i did. I had a nice tilt and 5 - 10 spins was enough for me to take on that wheel.

If you are not happy how i described Uwes method i really feel you should do us all a favour and explain it correct, but you can`t. You were asked but refused. You don`t  even know what is written in the paper you posted. You just have a big mouth and a big ego.

The only knowledge i got about the method is the paper you posted from Dieter Winkler and that i received some 5 - 6 years ago, and what Carlo, Heinrich and a third person that i can`t remember the name of and who all attended the live courses in the casinos with Uwe,  told me about it. There  could be more to it, so tell us oh mighty Bago. What do you know and what is your source ?

As for your test of foresters device, good or bad,  i wouldn`t quote it or use it as reference on any board simply because of the source.


Forester, if you have really tried to learn and play real VB, forget the outcome but learn to define the correct ball revoloution for starters, you would soon realise the handle patterns does not have to either align precisely with the diamonds nor, be exactly spot on pocket wise, to predict a certain revoloution. When you predict the number and reading spot, you need to be extremely precise, poketwise, but not on the  revoloution definition. If you hack your way through 2 - 300 spins where the wheel speed differs between 3.0 - 4.0 secs.  you will know what i mean. I haven`t used pattern since i started to use Laurances advanced method. Its SOO much less demanding on the eyes.
 
Semi tilted wheels needs a whole different skill level, not to mention level wheels that i admit the VB players can`t play. The quote about the ball was wrong and player correct, is a quote from one of Basieux`s older books. Its only an extraction of a longer chapter. Maybe some other day.

[forester]

Yes you can define ball revolution correctly but somehow it is the ball that makes extra revolution.

Forester, if you have really tried to learn and play real VB, forget the outcome but learn to define the correct ball revolution for starters.

That was when I started with tilted wheel, it is system people using for more then 20 years.

Now I prefer system that I designed and that can predict in any ball revolution. So there is no mistakes. It is easier to apply.

Kelly I really would appreciate if someone explains to me how observing handles can be better then observing pocket which is inclined with handle but closer to the ball and diamond.

I really think someone with such approach trying to disadvantage player.

Have to go, celebrate

Valentine's Day

with crogirl.
She told me he was roulette player as well .

[Kelly]

We discussed Uwes method and i agree that there are better, but you have to realise that it was designed by people who found it too diffycult to track Laurances 2X pattern because:

1. The wheels in Europe is too slow spun, and the 2X pattern appears in the the 2 - 3 last ball revoloution and the prediction and reading takes another 2 rounds which means the ball has already dropped when the prediction is ready.

2. There are no double zero wheels in europe (or only few) so to track a crossover pattern you need to replace double zero with either 5 or 10 or both. Which is extremely diffycult beecause they will blur out. Double zero is green which makes it pretty easy.

Using the handles instead makes it a lot easyer to focus on the rotor position, which is basicly all you do by using the handles instead of the pockets. Uwes 4X is designed for european rotor speeds, but has same basis as Laurances 2X, it just works for slower speeds. If you try to apply 4X on a fast rotor, where 2X works perfect, you will get a prediction some 8 - 9 revoloutions before the ball drops and the 2X some 3 - 5 rev before the ball drops.

The alternative to the handles, the pockets at North, South, East, West, will of coursee do the same job, its just a lot more demanding and totally unnessecary when you can use the handles.

The downside is that you can`t play any wheels without handles, which might take away a lot of opportunitys.

I agree that there are better ways to play, but its an improvement  to the alternative, Laurance`s 2X, which is too diffycult to apply in Europe. Kaisan plays a different kind of VB without patterns, Manny Kühl, may he rest in peace, developed his own VB in Travemünde in 1974 which again is different from Kaisans.

About Kaisans winnings, there are plenty of news paper articles about his karriere and him buying a 2.000.000 Euro water mill castle in Germany and a Lamborghini,  in the eighties. He has not been so succesfull in the last 2 - 3 years, and i suspect that his way of play is not maximized for modern wheels. He has stated that he places several wheel speeds in the same category but over a large tracking period of 2 - 300 spins. With him being so known to the casinos, they would fairly easy be able to  counter him when he started to place his bets, which i think could have been what happened.

[Bago]

"Snowman has taught me a lot, but ask him wether the article i wrote on rotor wobble and pocket bias was not wrote BEFORE i bought snows book, because it was. How could i write about rotor wobble 6 - 9 months before i bought his book ? No other books mention so detailed anything about biased wheels.  Because there are already bias teams in europe, and i was with them for a while. Only, they kept the knowledge in mouth to mouth, all i could do was pick up from conversation. Snow put basicly the exact same info, very detailed,  in writing."

It's cone wobble, not rotor wobble. You do not know what you're talking about to begin.

Which means that i lost the first 12 spins, betting 3 numbers,  although extremely close.
400 Euro paid for the flight and expenses and arriving at 10 and leaving at 00.30 the winnings was ok. Never said it was a big win Please post the link or  cut the lies.  But you are the real expert in here so obviously you would have made a lot more in no time with no tracking which was what i did. I had a nice tilt and 5 - 10 spins was enough for me to take on that wheel.

Yes i could find again the link but i have better things to do than quoting a conman like you, especially when he played a tilted wheel with only 3 numbers bet.
Yes you will say that i precognize 3-5 numbers bet, but this is because i play excusively semi-tilted wheels. If i had been in your shoes, i would have wider the sector bet, 7 numbers sector is fine. So yes i would have won much more, proof is you say you were close several times, because narrowing the sector bet on tilted wheels is simply SILLY.

"If you are not happy how i described Uwes method i really feel you should do us all a favour and explain it correct, but you can`t. You were asked but refused. You don`t  even know what is written in the paper you posted. You just have a big mouth and a big ego."

You should ask people if they are happy because i don't give a shit to what you wrote. You have not understood i do not care about you.
I've posted the document, people must do their homework because this is how you are rewarded in life.
The method is explained in german, anybody can translate the document and understand it. I don't have to do that for others. I've provided a method to help others, now people do what they want with it. They can send it to the dustin, i don't care.

Anyone know you are here only to criticize and to bring your science whereas you've never provided any VB method.
So you are the big mouth, not me.

"As for your test of foresters device, good or bad,  i wouldn`t quote it or use it as reference on any board simply because of the source."

Again, you are talking as if you are the reference in the Roulette World. Only Kaisan, his son and Basieux obviously know his own VB.
You acknowleged it several times. And now, just because of your ego, you are telling us that you know his VB: quote "Kaisan plays a different kind of VB..."

You are simply a lying bastard, so you can keep your opinion about my test of Forester's device right into your ace, i could not be better satisfied.

PS: I made more than 2000€ at dublinbet, wheel level and bets placed before the wheel is spun.
You 400€, bets placed after the wheel is spun against a tilted wheel.

You can call me the expert yes.

Best Regards,

Bago

[Kelly]

Like i said, i got info on rotor (cone) wobble before i received Snows info and actually he calls the chapter in his book for "Wheel wobble, Defects and Bias".  Not cone wobble, but you are grasping for straws, everybody knows what we are talking about. I have used the name rotor my entire life. You can call it cone if you like.

OK, no link because there ain`t no link.  There is a link that says i was happy with the amount i won in the short time where play was possible before the dealers quickly turned against me.   


I only played with 3 unit bet sizes because the first 10 spins i tracked i had a pyramid hit rate with the center number in the middle and as i recall it some 8 in 10 strikes. Unfortunately it turned as soon as started placing the bets.


You haven`t described an explanation of the Uwe text because you can`t find a free translator that can give a clear view of what is in the paper. You have simply posted something you thought would make you look knowing, but you didn`t have a clou what was in it. It would have taken less effort to describe  it than the post you just made.  It was clear that NO ONE in here understood what was in the text. I certainly didn`t see any explanations.

Obviously i don`t know all details about Kaisans play, but he wrote that he fits more wheel speeds in the same category. All wheel speeds actually.  I just don`t think that can be a good sign.  Did i write that i knew more ? Actually i do, but not his entire method.

So far you have put up more lies in this thread than i have, so just zip it.

2000....., sure you have.  I made 50 K in 1 night with the Fritz Werntgen labby in 1986, the bets were also placed before ball release. Wow, you are really good. Im sure im a bit older than you are, so if you wanna compare gambling stories, just let it out.

[Bago]

The little difference is i have given an undisputable proof of my winnings and you have not.
Only words, like scammers. Fucking bullshiter.

[Kelly]

I don`t keep a scrap book for my winnings, in case people don`t believe me. 

[Jefra]

WTF,
guys you should throwing kisses today and not mud!! 

[Jefra]

Kelly;
any win, be it small or big, is still win, so congratulatinos!

And yes, I am sure you know a lot about all sort of VB, much, much more than what you are open to reveal here in forums or via e-mails.
I am only a bit angry on you that you are not open to come in Budapest 

Guys, calm down a bit!!!

[Kelly]

There are a couple of practical issues about Budapest that i need to solve first, if not, it will only be a minor play/holiday if i ever get there.  Its certainly not written off, there were just easyer opportunitys not so far away. Also, i have been off play for aout 3 - 4 months now. 

[forester]

The little difference is i have given an undisputable proof of my winnings and you have not.

I am wondering when and what was the proof

[forester]

2. There are no double zero wheels in europe (or only few) so to track a crossover pattern you need to replace double zero with either 5 or 10 or both. Which is extremely diffycult beecause they will blur out. Double zero is green which makes it pretty easy.

It may be correct but 1 cm mistake in observing handle is 3 cm mistake to number position. Also instead of observing one ball rotation it is reduced to observing ¾ of ball rotation, therefore spotting change on rotor movement is harder and less accurate.

[Bago]

I am wondering when and what was the proof

http://rouletteplace.com/index.php/topic,513.0.html

When you don't know just ask.

It may be correct but 1 cm mistake in observing handle is 3 cm mistake to number position.

And of course your FF is accurate to 1 cm, whereas human errors in timings are inevitable, rotor clocking and ball clocking can't be accurate to 1 cm, whatever algorythms. The computer receive only what you input, that's the weakness, with VB you actually visualise and you can HEAR the ball sound, the computer CANNOT.


And seriously, don't you think you would win more than 30K/year (what you told me on MsN) if your device was accurate as lasers like you ridiculously said many times?.

[forester]

That is not a prove, even my grandmother could go once in casino and win.

And of course your FF is accurate to 1 cm, whereas human errors in timings are inevitable, rotor clocking and ball clocking can't be accurate to 1 cm, whatever algorythms. The computer receive only what you input, that's the weakness, with VB you actually visualise and you can HEAR the ball sound, the computer CANNOT.

It is something completely different. I was only explaining that observing handles create more errors then if someone observes numbers during full ball rotation.
 

And seriously, don't you think you would win more than 30K/year (what you told me on MsN) if your device was accurate as lasers like you ridiculously said many times?

If I told you that it was for you not for the public. If you ever publish picture of FF like your friend Stefano did for FFZ do not ever come back here.

Defining ball speed to high accuracy is not the only problem with using computers.
If I was not explaining to you earlier you would still be obsessed with Stefano's computer.
So do not teach father how to make kids.

[forester]

OOOO you have -7 negative votes, i gave you one + for some VB explanation

It looks as people do not want you here.

[Bago]

Only you and your aliases.

If you think it is easy to turn 200€ into +2000€ against online casinos, feel free to provide this easy proof like i've done.

Easier to CRITICIZE than actually DOING it. You are a child.

[Kelly]

Forester, everything you at some point has told Bago will end up on a message board. Now or later, but be asured, it will come out.

I understand that if you have never practised that kind of VB play, it is hard to understand. I`ll try one more time. 

1. The point where the handles align up at for example 12 o`clock  2 maybe 3 revoloutins after one another as described is  in the text, is  not nessecary spot on and they don`t have to be.

2. The ball revoloution we are looking for is the "deviation revoloution"  that comes right AFTER the "line up" at 12 o`clock and lasts 2 maybe 3 revoloutions. That revoloution is the signal revoloution that we are looking for.

3. If you practise you will find that you can pin point the exact same ball revoloutin some 8 out of 10 spins by using this tecknicke.

The line up at 12 o`clock might look like this if we say the line up lasts 3 revoloutions.

--!-------------  9 o`clock approaching........
-----!---------- 10 o`clock approaching........
--------!------- 11 o`clock approaching........
-----------!---- 12 o`clock
----------!----- 12 o`clock approx or pretty close to 12
-----------!---- 12 o`clock
------!--------- 11 o`clock DEVIATION REVOLOUTION we now know that we got lets say 5 revs. left before drop

NOTE: You notice that the line up comes from left moving to the right, then stops, then moves backwards from right against left. Vice versa when the wheel is spun in the opposit direction.


Now, if you have practised  the method for a while, you will be able to use the info from how far the deviation actually were from 12. Sometimes it will be 11 o`clock sometimes 10:30 or something in between.  The jump lenght from 12 to 11 (or whatever) relates to ball and wheel speed and when you make your prediction in the following rounds you will use this info and relate it into the prediction.

Laurance refers to this as:

"wide pattern"
"normal pattern"
"tight pattern"

Each pattern might relate to a  drop just before the diamond or just after the diamond because the ball speed is build into this pattern. And you will adjust accordingly.

There are no rules of thump which pattern gives a specific event, but when you track a wheel you will make a note in a coloumn where you note. "tight", "tight", wide normal, normal, normal, tight etc.

After a while you get your predictions tuned in, and find that each pattern relates to a particular reading spot on the wheel.

Uwe leaves these details out, but also points out that the method is a flexible thing that should not be played strictly as the standard  description but adapt to the conditions.

As you see, there are no need for absoloutely millimeter precise observations of the handles, but of course, the more precise, the better for the play.

PS: There are also the "awkward pattern" which is a pattern that coud mean that you are in the wrong revoloution and you won`t place any bets because you don`t know whats going on. Also, you might find that either the wide or tight pattern are unplayable, so that would signal that you simply jump such a spin.

The main beginner problem with the handle system, is that you confuse the handles in the heat of the fight and end up 1/4 of a wheel wrong. Practice practice practice...........

[forester]

Ok someone few days ago sent me a similar approach where he was looking ball cross number then move observation point to 0.8 of rotation to look for same number crossing.
I thought this system would do similar but observe handle after ¾ of revolution.

After you explained ,the player can observe full ball rotation, which improves things by 25% . Also observing handle at single position might be easier.

Anyway I still do not believe that observation of 3 points where two objects are moving can be within single pocket of accuracy. I hope that you understand, single pocket in this case represents full ball rotation and creates error of rotor movement during that particular rotation. Single pocket also could mean that the ball is within last half of sixth rotation, or not hitting DD, or first half of fifth rotation, where half's can be any percentage and not hitting DD can be at any position.

Using rotor as reference assuming it is constant may create huge errors.
Clocking it even with reasonable accuracy, if time of clocking is not known and in relationship to revolution we want to define will mean that rotor speed will not be as clocked, but less by amount related to time difference and rotor deceleration.

I do not believe that player can predict 8 out of 10 spins correctly even if he has single pocket accuracy. It could be 9 out of 10, then after 5 min it could be 1:10.  I mean he will always deviate in between 2 rotations and he will have 40% of spins with worst then house advantage if 60% of spins are hitting DD. If rotor is slow 9 p/s it means he will deviate within 18 pockets with 2 pick points distanced by 9 pockets. It is not bad.
But there is another question, can he really observe within one pockets of accuracy; I can only estimate that he will mostly float within 3 rotations with some percentage of spins even more. And that is if adjustments for rotor speed change are perfect.

[Bago]

It ends up on a message board when people are becoming abusive. You Kelly the so called super expert that in fact use a thumper to make his timings, crying like a cat because i exposed this real fact and now Forester crying because i exposed how much he earns per year.

As always i speak the truth and you people blame me for revealing the facts that are embarassing.

I never stabbed honest and genuine people in my life, and unfortunately on the internet they are rare. Actually Caleb is the only one friendly, genuine and knowledgeable man. He is not cocky at all, very humble.
He is with 100% certainty the one who made the most at the Roulette tables, by FAR, and you never see him talking about it.
Contrary to some no-life who write having won tens of thousands whereas reality have proven otherwise, only few hundreds won.

If Forester didn't have said bullshit about me, i would have kept his earnings for myself.
If Stefano didn't have said i needed support for his ineffective computer when i requested right away a refund, nothing would have been said about him and his scam.

Lying and being dishonest in life only brings trouble, and some like Stefano are actually making their situation even worser. He gets pratically no traffics at his websites now big proofs of his life style (thx Kylie) and what his system really is are costing him a lot.

[forester]

You are so funny; I only told you same as I say to everybody because it is the truth and you thought you discovered America. What did you think? Maybe that I say to people hey buy FF roulette computer and make millions as I do.

Do you want me to tell you another secret?
I play more VB then FF.
Nothing can compare to FF's accuracy but I still play more VB.
Who knows, maybe it is just another b/s from me since it doesn't make any logic to you.

[Bago]

Why are you using VB instead of FF if the last is better? Are you afraid using it in the Casino?.

I already told you why VB is superior to any device based on clocking full revolutions, in my honest opinion.
Revolutions with exact same timings can lead the ball to travel extra 1/4 revolution, minus 1/4, +1/2 rev on level wheels. AND slightly different revolution timings can lead the ball to strike the same diamond. You told me it is not very important since when the ball hits the spot sooner than expected (minus 1/4) then the ball scatter lenght will be higher. Later (+1/4), the ball scatter lenght will be shorter, and as expected the ball scatter lenght is between both.
You will easily understand that if with VB you can PREDICT THAT (that the ball will either hit a diamond sooner or later), you will have a better accuracy than any mechanical device.
Only ball sound can achieve this, and with a lot of training and other things, you can spot the exact moment when the ball is descending from the rim, which occurs at DIFFERENT PLACES.

Stefano claims to achieve this with his nokia phone which is of course impossible with clocking ball revolutions alone, and anyone with some VB experience knows he is lying just to look genuine. Not only does he claim being able to know which diamond the ball will hit but also the part of it. Really a joke, when his repeating spin prediction process shows a sector of around 9 numbers and also a prediction completely outside, and with his diamond 1 setting (tilted mode).

[Kelly]

You get along with Caleb for 2 reasons:

1. He is a gentleman who don`t get involved as long as you could have been a potential scout for him.
2. You  haven`t been able to lure his book out of him.

I started using the thumper at a time where we were on a friendly basis, i used it in the casinos for 3 months but don`t use it anymore except for 1 hour before i enter the casino sometimes not even then.  Posting the pick i send you in confidence was a thing that breached not only my confidence but also every other thumper user. You just don`t act so idiotic just to harm 1 person. I was not the only one who was let down, a lot of other people were too, not to mention Laurance and Caleb. Obviously i was put on freeze for having contact with you.

Somehow you don`t understand that it is not embarresing to use a thumper, but the fact that they can bar you from entering the casino if they catch you with one is the issue. That makes you a saboteur in the AP world in line with Mike Barnett, and i can only advise every serious player to keep a distance to you. You have already shown on this board that you don`t have a clou about VB.

What does Basieux say about your secret patterns ?

[forester]

Why are you using VB instead of FF if the last is better? Are you afraid using it in the Casino?.

I leave that to your imagination.

I already told you why VB is superior to any device based on clocking full revolutions, in my honest opinion.

Everybody is entitled to have his opinion and some people are more right then the others.

Revolutions with exact same timings can lead the ball to travel extra 1/4 revolution, minus 1/4, +1/2 rev on level wheels. AND slightly different revolution timings can lead the ball to strike the same diamond. You told me it is not very important since when the ball hits the spot sooner than expected (minus 1/4) then the ball scatter lenght will be higher.
Later (+1/4), the ball scatter lenght will be shorter, and as expected the ball scatter lenght is between both.

Yes I told you that but you missed the point that only FF can do it because it has précised measurement of ball speed. You are mixing two things. One is when prediction is in wrong rotation and it results that ball hits same diamond at same spot but with 9 pocket difference on rotor. The other one is when the ball did not hit top of one diamond but went to the other one and hit it at bottom.

Not sure why you even mention leveled wheel prediction with visual ballistic.

You will easily understand that if with VB you can PREDICT THAT (that the ball will either hit a diamond sooner or later), you will have a better accuracy than any mechanical device.

FF is not a mechanical device but précised measuring instrument with algorithms to predict by wheel parameters. It will know when the ball will hit and which number will be there. It will also know will the ball hit dominant diamond.

Only ball sound can achieve this, and with a lot of training and other things, you can spot the exact moment when the ball is descending from the rim, which occurs at DIFFERENT PLACES.

It is possible but still it can't be better then FF computer by accuracy.

Most of the time just by watching the ball I can define when the ball is within 100ms of speed. That still is not better then FF because FF knows it within few ms of accuracy and it knows where is braking point in between rotations. Also if rotor speed is different the FF can precisely calculate for rotor change to the end of spin.

Stefano claims to achieve this with his nokia phone.

I think I do not have a problem to agree with you that he is a scammer, and if you try to understand that Nokia mobile phone is not suitable for timing applications then you can put full stop on it. 

[Bago]

Why do you write as if you know what you are saying. You are very funny. You DO NOT KNOW what Caleb shared with me, so why are you opening your big mouth. Because as usual you want to give the impression that you know everything on everybody, like Kaisan'sVB, whereas you DO NOT KNOW the whole thing.

Thumpers are old hat, and shows that you are not the expert that you claim to be, the one who can make head counts with 0,1sec accuracy. We understand why you earn 400€ playing Roulette when you travel.

Concerning VB, people can testify i've corrected you many times at gambler's glen, particularly concerning vis-à-vis which is wheel speed dependant but you didn't and probably do not understand this today.
You thought it was 180° effect or triangular whereas it is much more than that, vis à vis can also be crossed, and you never mentionned it.

So, if for you someone who is correcting you on VB does not know anything on the subject, then you are the big asshole i've always thought you are.

My patterns are not secrets for Basieux, only for some dickheads like you who think knowing everything.

GET A LIFE.

[Kelly]

Quote on vis a vis page 39 in Roulette Hardcore and Software.

Der gegenüber effekt (auch vis a vis effekt) ist kein eigentlicher effekt - deshalb hab ich den begriff in anführungszeichen gesetzt. Genau genommen ist er meistens eine folge des prinzipiellen roll-chaotischen effekts der sich nicht selten dadurcg äussert, dass die kugel ziemlich genau gegenüber der ersten prognose im kessel landet - und das auch noch im mittel. Aber eben nicht immer "ziehmlich genau gegenüber"   landet die kugel oft wenn:
1. der kessel einen Tilt hat, und wenn

2. die scheibe halb so schnell ist wie die kugel in ihrem letzten umlauf.

The page also describes "3 teilung", "achse", "Überkreuz" which are the 3 and 4 directed deviations from the 180 degree vis a vis. Bago, 3 of Pierres books describes vis a vis in all aspects. I got them, you obviously haven`t since you don`t mention the tilt that Pierre does in #1.

 Go back and find the link from GG and tell me where i have EVER said that vis a vis was only 180 degrees. 

I know he haven`t shared his book with you, no matter how much you wanted to pay for it. And i understand it.