Intro to Biased Wheels--- Part 2

[uchimata]

The real biased wheals have the defect in the pockets,
the biased wheal that have the defect in the wood case, is noting view whith real biased, the wood case defect is good for visual balistic only.
The defect in the pockets  generates hot numbers in long term.
The pockets defects consist:
1- one pocket more biger than other
2-one pocket more higer or shorter than another.
3-one pocket more soft or harder than another in the bounce
4- one pocket bad scruber.
5- the  metal separators are more biger than another, or bad colocated, that generates a shock absorver, than anothers
but the real biased wheal have one or more defects like this in a sector of a wheal, don´t see one or two numbers that apear more times than the others, consentrate in sectors of numbers.

Another kind of biased wheal i see, is a bad valanced rotor,provocated for a desvalance of the pin of the torret or a desgastated bering, this problem provocate a woble in the rotor, that provocate a hot sector, because the ball falls in this area,influenced by gravity law, and the angle that the defect provocate in the rotor.
see this link:

http://www.grupojoker.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=478

THIS LINK HAVE THE TABLES TO CONSIDERATE IF A WHEAL IS A BIASED OR NOT.
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BEST REGARDS

UCHIMATA

[forester]

If I understand right table A represent hits to more then what is expected.

At the bottom there is 30,000 spins
And we get 966 hits
We should get only 811
To be equal at the table after 30,000 spins we need 833 hits

966-833=132
30,000/132=226

So we win every 226 spins amount that pays for win on one number.
If we play with $100 after about 8 hours we will win $3,500

Regardless that number comes more often we still may have 100 or even 200 spins that number doesn't come. It would require $20,000 bankroll.

What if something happens and number start coming with negative SD? We will need thousands of spins to notice it.

It would be good if reason for bias is known so player will be able to notice the change just by observing instead of tracking thousands of spins.

[uchimata]

If I understand right table A represent hits to more then what is expected.

At the bottom there is 30,000 spins
And we get 966 hits

If you read again the table, you see is only nesesarily(in a lot of cases) only 300 spins to cualify a wheal is biased or not,(but more the better)

30,000 SPINS IS NOT NESESARILY TO PREDICT IF A WHEAL IS BIASED TO OBERCOME THE HOUSE EDGE.

please read again the tables, they have 3 parameteres,
1, random wheal
2,tipe A
3 tipe B
4 tipe C
every wheal have his category in this  estatistical charts.

For example, this spanish guys said is better to play biased wheals that have  9 to 18 numbers whith this kind of defect, i tell is the best or beter play "SECTORS OF NUMBERS IN THE WHEAL"  that is nesesarily to prevent largest bank rolls, I play this system in the MAGESTIC CASINO GUATEMALA and i broke the table, and the casino want to change machine, this machine give me 45 days of glory in this table, then the casino tell  me, please never come again.
The bank roll required is 1000 units to aboid the bancarot.
200 per day if you win dont stop, if you loose 200 stop and come tomorow, WHY? because the random afect the biased to.
Something all the players want to unsertand is """""RANDOM HAVE LIMITS TO"

best regards
Uchimata

[forester]

Of course it would be better if all sector is biased.
So what does really “4 tipe C” represents?

And how can you from 300 spins know if the wheel is biased.

[uchimata]

Of course it would be better if all sector is biased.
So what does really “4 tipe C” represents?

And how can you from 300 spins know if the wheel is biased.

The inglish is very dificult to me sorry.

ok, this guys have proved in random number generators the patterns that a random wheal presents, in every test take 2000 spins and multiply by 2000, for example, if you have 100 spins you multiplicate 100*2000 =2,00000 study events, that indicates to you, 3 things, the behavior of a random wheal in "positives",
THIS GUYS TAKE SEGMENTS OF 100 SPINS AND APLY 2000 EVENTS FOR EVERY 100 SPINS,
for example for the 1000 spins they have to do 2,000,000 events to study to make his statistical charts of the behavior of random and his tendence.
but the curios of the study is:
5% of the times (IN THIS 2000 PROVES in 100 spins)generats more beter paterns than the other 95%, this guys call this event "SOFT LIMIT"  and in the 1% of the times have better enough patterns of biased, this guys call this event "HARD LIMIT"
then make categories for wheals in tipe "A" tipe "B" and tipe "C" and random wheals whih now one tendence.
 this guys search weals that  present the "SOFT LIMITS" TO COMING TO PLAY THIS WHEAL, or tipe "A" wheals that prsent good posibilities to win.
this people divide the wheals in categories,
for example:
he takes 1000 spins of a wheal and come to make a chart, and in this chart reveal that wheal have 65 positives, this wheal is cataloged than a "C" but if a wheal in 1000 spins generate 72 positives that wheal is good to study because present a tipe "A" wheal.
Please translate the link i send to your´s belive me is the better way to study biased wheal.

Best regards
Uchiamta

[forester]

Now I understand that I do understand.

What did he prove with RNG?
He can't prove anything else then it is RNG if it is RNG.

How he multiply spins?

I tried to translate but I couldn't understand much. 

Ok with RNG he only tested for deviation.
Then he defined limits where results under it will be classified as coincidences.
And table A consists of group of numbers that are coming more then often.

So after 30,000 spins 996 is actually a difference from expected 810 hits , on some group of numbers.

I think results should include ball direction and rotor speed as well.

[uchimata]

Now I understand that I do understand.

What did he prove with RNG?
He can't prove anything else then it is RNG if it is RNG.

How he multiply spins?

I tried to translate but I couldn't understand much. 

Ok with RNG he only tested for deviation.
Then he defined limits where results under it will be classified as coincidences.
And table A consists of group of numbers that are coming more then often.

So after 30,000 spins 996 is actually a difference from expected 810 hits , on some group of numbers.

I think results should include ball direction and rotor speed as well.

He make his test in random number generators, because the RGN, dont have any desviation, because is totaly random, the RNG don´t have ""FISICAL PARTS"", but have randomnes like the  real wheals, he makes in RNG, to understan the limit of  random patterns and his
behaviors.

How can multipy spins for test the randomnes of this group of spins?

For example he want 2000 test for every group of spins, if he want to study 100  spins, he spin 100 balls, 2000 times.
if he want to study 200 spins, he spins 200 spins 4000 times etc, etc, etc.
in every amount of spins he write the results and make his statistical charts and his desviation, then come to group the result and calculate the "SOFT LIMIT" in this group of events and the "HARD an the tipe "A""B""C""AND RANDOM LIMITS.

The spected edge in 30,000 balls "TEORICALY" are 810 hits, but you don´t have this results ""real", in a random wheal you have 126 hits """"""""OVER THE EXPECTED  EDGE LINE"""""""""  more the 810 spins, you have 810+126 = 936 hits in 30,000 spins in a group of numbers, for example in 15 biased  group of numbers.
In a "A" table have 966 hits, more the 810 spected spins you have 810+966= 1776real hits in a biased wheal""""""" NOT THE SPECTED  TEORICAL ,RESULTS PERFECTLY RANDOM YOU SPECT, THAT NOT EXIST.
Thats is thinking you have 15 biased numbers and you calculate this group of 15 numbers you have this results in positives, ""OVER THE SPECTED EDGE""you don´t want to think in only one number, you want to think in group of numbers, because every ""pocket"" have his own inperfection, AND GENERATE HIS OWN BIASED, BUT IF YOU CALCULATE A GROUP OF IASED NUMBERS YOU HAVE THIS RESULTS.
He makes to a statistical to undestand behaviors of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9  group of numbers and his behavior and desviation, thats are to in the link.
if a wheal don´t present  a tipe "A" SOFT LIMIT OR HARD LIMIT" LIKE THIS STATISTICAL CHARTS PRESENT IS BETTER TO DON´T PLAY, BECAUSE DON´T HAVE A BIASED THAT GENERATE PROFITS, if you study a machine and this machine presen tipe "B" or "C" behavors DONT PLAY .

The results don´t matter if you write the clock wise counter clock wise, change ball change speeds and intensity of balls, r chang deelrs, you are looking the "INPERFECTIONS AND BAD FUNCTION OF THE WHEAL" THAT PROVOCATE A BIASED, REMEMBER IS A MECHANICAL BIASED NOT A RANDOM BIASED, OR A BIASED PROVOCATED BY A DEELER, THATS ANOTHER KIND OF BIASED THAT INVOLBE RANDOMNES, NOT FISICAL DESPERFECTIONS. 

I know the spanish is dificult to you as the inglish is dificult to me, but if you don´t understand someting about the charts or somethin relationate of this system , please ask me i´m glad to help  you ore some one else, in my posivilities of my inglish.

BEST REGARS
UCHIMATA.

[uchimata]

This is an example to calculate a biased of a wheal:



This chart contain 300 spins

The spected line edge is in 8.33 ÂżWhy? because
300/36=8.33 all the numbers have 8.33 hits don´t have profits, al the numbers that have 9 hists or more have profits, and all numbers that have less to 8.33 hits is a looser numbers.

consentrate "ONLY" in the numbers that have 9 or more hits, that numbers are:
0,3,35,28,7,29,18,22,9,14,8,36,13,34,2,19,15,32

OK analize number by number
0=13 hits-8.33=4.67
3=11 hits-8.33=2.67
35=10 hits-8.33=1.67
28=9 hits-8.33=.67
7=10 hits-8.33=1.67
29=10 hits-8.33=1.67
18=11 hits-8.33=2.67
22=10 hits-8.33=1.67
9=11 hits-8.33=2.67
14=9 hits-8.33=.67
8=12 hits-8.33=3.67
36=10 hits-8.33=1.67
13=10 hits-8.33=1.67
34=11 hits-8.33=2.67
2=12 hits-8.33=3.67
19=9 hits-8.33=.67
15=10 hits-8.33=1.67
32=12 hits-8.33=3.67
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this wheal have a biased of: +40.06 plains, if you see in the chart this wheal is a """A"""" table
if you have +46 you have a wheal in the "SOFT LIMIT" and this wheal is probavely to mantain his conditions, in long term.

best regards UCHIMATA

[forester]

He make his test in random number generators, because the RGN, dont have any desviation, because is totaly random, the RNG don´t have ""FISICAL PARTS"", but have randomnes like the  real wheals, he makes in RNG, to understan the limit of  random patterns and his
behaviors.

Thanks I was clear with that, some people define it mathematically.

But don't you think if for example one pocket divider is higher, that is will be better off to analyze spins in CW and ACW. Also if rotor is 5 sec per rotation the ball may like to hit there and most of the time stop few pockets from there. But if rotor is 2.5 sec. on average it may be longer.

I never played such way, I never took records of many spins.
But because I played a lot on one table I noticed that some numbers coming more often 9,22,18 and I played them. But when bal was in CW and if rotor was faster I played 29,7, 18. It worked until once I played and in 60-70 spins none of those numbers come up. Next time it was back to same. That is why I do not like to play that way. I can't imagine myself to be there for hours and days and to take proper data.
 

Well that graph looks as my wheel. I would play around 18.


If you quoting text do not keep all post, delete what you do not want.    

[toby]

Uchi and Forester , as we know, the more spin clocked the more certain of a possible biased.

We are looking for biased sectors of numbers.

We calculate standard deviations of numbers and sectors determining the highest level to conclude it is not just random.

There are some places where you can clock several thousend of spins of the same wheel because they shuffle them very seldom.

In other places they do it weekly.

Sometimes you clock a dozen of tables and you find a good play in one or two of them.

The only way, as far as I know, is to track spins, the more the merrier, at least 3700 spins on an european wheel.

The other item is how work with money management when you find a biased wheel because the % could be small.

BR

[uchimata]

Uchi and Forester , as we know, the more spin clocked the more certain of a possible biased.

We are looking for biased sectors of numbers.

We calculate standard deviations of numbers and sectors determining the highest level to conclude it is not just random.

There are some places where you can clock several thousend of spins of the same wheel because they shuffle them very seldom.

In other places they do it weekly.

Sometimes you clock a dozen of tables and you find a good play in one or two of them.

The only way, as far as I know, is to track spins, the more the merrier, at least 3700 spins on an european wheel.

The other item is how work with money management when you find a biased wheel because the % could be small.

BR

I¨M IN TOTAL AGRY WHITH YOU TOBY.

[forester]

We calculate standard deviations of numbers and sectors determining the highest level to conclude it is not just random.

I like the other guys approach better. He actually measured deviation limits on thousands of spins.

[uchimata]

Yes, this system want to colect a lot of spins, but this system if you obtain a wheal whith a good conditions, is the more profitable, and easy to play, than any other system that win in long term...

Best regards
Uchimata

[toby]

Uchi and forester, do you just flatbet or do you use another money management?

If you flatbet on a small profit table you need a huge BR and wage to collect a good amount.
 
For instance, a sector of 12 numbers come on average 1/35,5 instead of 1/37. You have +5,4. But, only +1,38 over 1/36.

You can win on the table but you need the highest chip to place to win 0.50 chips times 12 per a cicle of 36 spins(+6 chips per 36 spin cicle on average).

Other scenario, your 12 numbers come 1/34,5. What is the best way to win? Options: flat, any progression, other?

What is the best goal to achieve per hour? 10, 20, 36 units?

BR

[Rollo]

For instance, a sector of 12 numbers come on average 1/35,5 instead of 1/37. You have +5,4. But, only +1,38 over 1/36.

Yes, I would consider 1/35.5 totally unplayable, even if I new that edge was valid long term. Risk of ruin makes sure that total loss of the entire bank roll is by far the most likely way such a game will end.

The bank's edge over the ordinary player isn't better, but the differance is that many players bet all over the table all the time, the bank's risk of ruin is therefor drastically much smaller.

[uchimata]

Uchi and forester, do you just flatbet or do you use another money management?

If you flatbet on a small profit table you need a huge BR and wage to collect a good amount.
 
For instance, a sector of 12 numbers come on average 1/35,5 instead of 1/37. You have +5,4. But, only +1,38 over 1/36.

You can win on the table but you need the highest chip to place to win 0.50 chips times 12 per a cicle of 36 spins(+6 chips per 36 spin cicle on average).

Other scenario, your 12 numbers come 1/34,5. What is the best way to win? Options: flat, any progression, other?

What is the best goal to achieve per hour? 10, 20, 36 units?

BR

Biased wheal system, is based in """"the good playable conditions of a wheal"""", not in the progresions you inploy to win, if you want to win in long tern in roullete, never use progresions, """""in any system""", if you need progresions in a system to overcome the house edge, this system fails in long term.
Please "READ AND UNDERSTAND"· the CHARTS, i present.
If you don´t find a good wheal to play, """"don´t play".
35/1 36/1 37/1 40/1 is les dan random wheal, that profit is not generative. Again, read and undertand the basic of the system and his charts, to obtain a good wheal.
Don´t think in sicles of 36  spins, thats no mater in this system, you need to play hundreds or thousand of spins, more you play, more you win.
Whith this kind of systems, you overcome the random, and the house edge,by the bad function of a wheal, or mechanical flaws.
"""""""""""""ALL THE WHEALS ARE NOT PLAYABLE""""""""""""""
You need 1000 chips to play this system in a good conditions wheal, that´s the amount you need to aboid the bank´s risk of ruin.
best regards
UCHIMATA

[Kelly]

I would still prefer the old fashioned way:

1. Detect possible biases on the wheel.

2. Note how the ball act in these areas during number tracking.

3. If the bias also appears in the possible areas, continue to track but watch out for number ring turns which is a common way to trick a bias player. It only takes 2 - 3 minutes to turn the number ring 1/8 of a wheel. It doesn`t eliminate the bias, but the player will be playing the wrong numbers.



Once the bias is established, run the numbers in a number strenght sheet like this one:

If the biased number shows weakness with a falling curve, simply skip it until it starts rising again. If you have dates along with the tracked numbers, you might be able to spot maintenance intervals and cleaning procedure in the number strenght sheet. Just make sure that the number ring is NOT moved.

A number is expected to appear 27.02 times pr. 1000 numbers, the sheet shows how the chosen number is performing with a running count each time a number is punched in.

The analysed number here, appeared for a while to be  biased, but it disapeared after a while. The positive deviation above 27 was either spotted by staff or  was a random fluke. The Chi Square never came close to the 55 benchmark for biases.

[uchimata]

Toby:
You don´t win all the days in long term strategies, you overcome the house edge in hundreds and thousand of spins, that inbolve a lot of days.
Don´t think in short plays, think in long term plays.
For example, in visual balistic play, because the behavior of a wheal is not good all the days, you lost some days, but you win more days than you loose, thats the way the good systems work.

For example:
in a tipe "A" wheal if you play 1000 spins, the spected edge is +72  net plains, if you play whith $1.00 dollar chips thats represent  $2592.00 dollars.
Best regards
Uchimata

[uchimata]

I would still prefer the old fashioned way:

1. Detect possible biases on the wheel.

2. Note how the ball act in these areas during number tracking.

3. If the bias also appears in the possible areas, continue to track but watch out for number ring turns which is a common way to trick a bias player. It only takes 2 - 3 minutes to turn the number ring 1/8 of a wheel. It doesn`t eliminate the bias, but the player will be playing the wrong numbers.



Once the bias is established, run the numbers in a number strenght sheet like this one:

If the biased number shows weakness with a falling curve, simply skip it until it starts rising again. If you have dates along with the tracked numbers, you might be able to spot maintenance intervals and cleaning procedure in the number strenght sheet. Just make sure that the number ring is NOT moved.

A number is expected to appear 27.02 times pr. 1000 numbers, the sheet shows how the chosen number is performing with a running count each time a number is punched in.

The analysed number here, appeared for a while to be  biased, but it disapeared after a while. The positive deviation above 27 was either spotted by staff or  was a random fluke. The Chi Square never came close to the 55 benchmark for biases.

Thats true Kelly, this system have a lot  and,simple countermesures, whith this system you need to study all the days the wheal, the secret is this:
If a "TIPE A" wheal in 3 days of play,the wheal convert in "B" , "C"  or random  based in the """table charts""" ,this wheal is repair by the casino,"""""BECAUSE A WHEAL NEVER COME BACK IN HIS CATEGORY""""" in the moment your chart tell you the wheal come back, you need to stop the play, and qualify again to see the wheal have the same good conditions in other pockets.
If you note the casino turn the rings, is time to search an other wheals in another casinos, because the casino know what are you doing.
Best regards
Uchimata

[toby]

Thanks Kelly, it happens that some possible or certain biased dessapear for some hundread of spins but when they come back they pay off(if they are really biased).

Good idea to leave the ones that sleep, some bias questions nobody knows what the cause is.

Uchi, as you know, is not easy to find a 1/30 table.

Sometimes a 1/35 is the unique chance.

I take the advise to flatbet, you just win because of phisics and math.

Playing on 10 to 12 numbers takes a 1000 BR, we know.

What about % of winning per hour? Here comes the $ matter.

It is the same to win 30 units of 1 in 3 hours=30 than 10 units of 3 in an hour?

BR

[Kelly]

A bias player is easyli spotted because he plays the same numbers everyday, day in and day out. Its not because it is ones "lucky number" anymore. Combined with VB play, it becomes more diffycult to detect because sectors will be played in more random patterns.

Also, tracking right and left spins some times do amazing things in the bias tracking.

In Hittfeld, Germany, there were a wheel  that produced "rollers" on the number ring every 2 or 3 spins, and it had a fret that were slightly higher than the others. In a case with many rollers, a higher fret will absorb a lot of hits and affect the outcome a lot. This is how it looked like in Hittfeld.:

As you see there are great difference in the performance of the 2 numbers although they are placed just next to each other.

[uchimata]

A bias player is easyli spotted because he plays the same numbers everyday, day in and day out. Its not because it is ones "lucky number" anymore. Combined with VB play, it becomes more diffycult to detect because sectors will be played in more random patterns.

Also, tracking right and left spins some times do amazing things in the bias tracking.

In Hittfeld, Germany, there were a wheel  that produced "rollers" on the number ring every 2 or 3 spins, and it had a fret that were slightly higher than the others. In a case with many rollers, a higher fret will absorb a lot of hits and affect the outcome a lot. This is how it looked like in Hittfeld.:

As you see there are great difference in the performance of the 2 numbers although they are placed just next to each other.

This is randomnes phenomenum.
if you come to play the same numbers in long term you are coming to se the 18 is coming high and the 22 decrese.

Uchimata

[forester]

Toby I do not play that way, I only consider it as valuable theory that can win on long run.

There was somewhere charts where casino did test on one wheel where 3 numbers were biased. I think it end up that player who would play $25 on each number 8 hours per day for one month would profit about $150,000.

It means that each of played numbers if we look it as 9000  played spins come 290 times instead of average of 243 times. It is possible.

I don't mind discussing something that might work even I will never use it.

But I still think that rotor speed and ball direction should be involved in defining bias.

Also I do not know how player would now if something have changed so for next month he doesn't play with negative advantage.
.

[Kelly]

"This is randomnes phenomenum.
if you come to play the same numbers in long term you are coming to se the 18 is coming high and the 22 decrese."

Not in this case Uchimata, the wheel was gaffed by some of the staff and 4 people were arrested. The bias was genuine and not even an accidental deformation but deliberately planted there. There were some news paper articles about it at the time. It worked particular well because of the many rollers where the fret caught the ball when it ran on the number ring  and   some of the staff knew that.

[uchimata]

"This is randomnes phenomenum.
if you come to play the same numbers in long term you are coming to se the 18 is coming high and the 22 decrese."

Not in this case Uchimata, the wheel was gaffed by some of the staff and 4 people were arrested. The bias was genuine and not even an accidental deformation but deliberately planted there. There were some news paper articles about it at the time. It worked particular well because of the many rollers where the fret caught the ball when it ran on the number ring  and   some of the staff knew that.

IF THIS IS THE CASE, I´M IN AGRE WHITH YOU KELLY. is a provocated biased. But in only one number? thats wear, if the staf are coming to provocate a biased, is better to provocate in at least 5 pockets.
Best regards Uchiamta
Best regards Uchimata