Roulette computer inside mobile phone

[Kelly]

Survtech has a point when he mention chasing nano seconds instead of money. Christian Kaisan estimates his overall edge over 23 years to be between +2 - 5%. He  still managed to get +4.000.000 Euro out of the casinos.  He started out in 84, playing with the same bet sizes (with a 50% share from a patner) as i do today after some years of play.

I still feel a bit uncomfortable when i "up the stakes" to a bet size i haven`t played before. Kaisan, jumped right in it. And won. And havn`t looked back since. It sometimes costs him an arm and a leg (read +30.000 euros loss) when he starts playing with a too short analyse. He takes it without a blink and moves on to the next opportunity.  (well right now he is not playing but building a busines with his son)

Bottom line is: You need the money AND THE GUTS TO PLACE THEM, to make big money.  Obviously an edge too, but trying desperately to beat the shit out of a level wheel with a large random scatter playing 5$ bets is really just a waste of time even though there might be a small edge if you analyse the wheel thorough enough.

As for my winnings in France, i cant remember anymore wether it was 500, 400 or 600. It payed for the flight tickets and then some and was a result of 35 placed bets in Nice and play stop around 1-2 AM.

3 days with my girlfriends family in Vence, 1 day in Monaco where we didn`t play. (arrived around 10-11 o`clock after meeting shaft in his apartment), 1 day in San Remo where we arrived 11- midnightish (also after meeting jean phillippe)  and didn`t play either and then the Nice play. Aparently, me making 500 in 35 bets is a bad thing for Bago.

I track as many spins as Kaisan which is between at least 100 - 300 spins, depending, so actually, the Nice play was half gambling. And obviously a family introduction of my new family is not gonna be spoiled by me sitting at the casino  for 7 out of  7 days.  But of course, being down there we wanted to see the casinos and also mr jean phillippe.

[Dr.Spock]

I think we are all better off with survtech drawing the conclusions that FF doesn't not work afterall for obvious reasons. 

Well, We certainly don't want survtech reporting back to the casinos warning them that the FF does gives players an advantage. I think we all agree that we'd all rather have survtech tell the casinos that they have nothing to worry about.  That is was all just one big misunderstanding.  That FF was just an imaginary device that turned out to be a big hoax.   

[PJ]

Has anyone got any statistics on the number of times (or percentage of time) the ball strikes a vertical diamond.  I have been going through some of Bob's video and the vertical diamonds are hit almost every spin..  Has anyone got some stats from their experience?

Cheers
PJ

[survtech]

Forester

A couple of years ago you were selling roulette systems based on the so-called Dealer Signature.

I'm sure you weren't intentionally scamming, I think you truly believed that you had discovered a way to beat roulette.

Now you consider yourself to be a roulette computer expert able to beat random roulette wheels for 25% or better.

Like the last time, I don't think you're scamming but you have shown that you are capable of predicating your deeply held and sanctimoniously argued beliefs on a false premise, that is why I question your methodology.

For me, ego plays no part in this, if your device is capable of maintaining a 25% edge on a random wheel I will shout it from the rooftops, if it doesn't I will quietly go about my business.

[nlp2me]

Hi survtech,

I am relatively new to all this.

Have got close to 100% predictions on video spin of level wheel. (stefano's wheel, today)

Admittedly a very predictable stable wheel, not likely to be found in casino, but still close to 100% predictions
oh yes... and accuracy was high too.

still more practising to do. accuracy setting 3

[survtech]

Thanks for the info, the tester is using level 2.

[forester]

[nlp2me]

 Quote Survtech:"the tester is using level 2"

Did he not try level 3?

And that was a very quick answer.

Forester I think I may remove my post about high level of predicitions, survtech is making me uneasy.
Spock has a point.

[forester]

Thanks for the info; the tester is using level 2.

The difference of results on level 2 and 3 on some wheels may be huge.
2 at some can be that advantage we simply can't define where it is, while if we shift to 3 we may get 30%. That is why I insist in saving time of 1-1.5s on calling audio files. Because it is more then difference in between those to levels.

Considering you previous questions I may expect next one as, can The FF produce advantage on accuracy 2. Sure it can, but it is very dependant on the wheel. If I do not see advantage I simply would not play. Also the truth is that I do not do as Kelly, so prior to play test few hundreds spins. Sometimes I can be wrong start playing get coincidence of few good hits and get impression that I have advantage. It doesn't last long because I observe many other factors when I play so I make correction or leave, but still it can be costly.

[forester]

nlp2me

Lol, do not worry, you are inexperienced so nobody will believe you.
Who knows, maybe you are Forester making false review to sell more.

I can't have cake and eat it at same time.

Most of people that use the FF a lot are not participating in forums.
Some even told me to not be stupid and to screw it all, focus on what else I can do the best on FF and forget about the rest of the world.  Who know maybe they are right. I'll see what happens when I add audio.

[nlp2me]

 

lol. I do talk too much.

[survtech]

Prediction rate has improved on level 2.  Would you prefer the tests be based on level 3?

[forester]

[survtech]

OK

I just got an email that things have improved greatly on level 2.

I want to give these tests the best chance of success, would you consider level 3 to produce best results? At this stage I'm not really concerned at the amount of betting time.

[Dr.Spock]

Survtech stated "For me, ego plays no part in this, if your device is capable of maintaining a 25% edge on a random wheel I will shout it from the rooftops, if it doesn't I will quietly go about my business."

That's what scares the hell out of everybody here that understands whets happening.  We don't need anyone shouting anything off the roof tops to all the casinos world wide.  We have a low profile here and would like to keep it that way.

It all makes sense now.. I would like to have thought that survtech was conducting this experiment for us.   But we all ready know what FF can and cannot do - - - so survtech's final conclusion would not have changed our opinion of FF one way or the other.  This experiment is for survtech's clients- - - the casinos. 


and Forester, this is not the kind of attention we need right now with an experiment being conducted by a casino consultant.   Let's just focus on making money and getting rich- - - and 10 years from now you'll go down in the history books as that famous the developer that created FF.

BUT NOT NOW- - - NOW'S NOT THE TIME FOR YOU TO WANT TO BE FAMOUS.  SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU TELL OUTSIDERS - - -LET'S JUST GET RICH FIRST, AND THAN YOU WILL BECOME VERY FAMOUS IN ABOUT 5 OR 10 YEARS...   

[forester]

He can test all levels and compare them.
Level 3 is an average.
4 would be the most accurate but not very practical for real play even some people claim they use it.

I think it is not hard for you to figure it out that accuracy and remaining time are enemies. If one goes up the other one must go down. Accuracy 3 would be minimum in practically acceptable remaining time, on an average wheel. 

I am happy that he is getting better results.
I think you guys are having overconfidence problem.

Dr. Spock,

I am already in the books but for something else.
World best practice in achieving the best continues improvements within one of world wide Telecommunication Company. Developing test processes for better efficacy of product testing and reducing system brake down times. That work helped the company to receive various recognition awards. Now imagine me with my broken English holding presentations in front of few hundred managers from various companies.
Do you know what I got for that?
Peace of paper and key ring. I looked it, lift it up and asked "do I go with this key ring in a bank to pay my bills"

You are right about attention.
I never planed to have such open discussion.
If you look back you couldn't find even single picture of FF at my site.
Only recently I placed some, including public video because some fags that like to call themselves competitors already did it. I do not care if they did publish video of their system but they did mine as well. Lucky or unlucky coincidance for me was that the FF simply can't predict wrong even if you try to (if the wheel is predictable).

[Kelly]

I didn`t mean to imply that it is a bad thing to mesasure in milli secs. What i was trying to say, is that if X device sometimes fails with X nano sec. you will only get the full "failure picture" if you test over several hundreds of spins. 

Example: My VB gives me a "Remaining ball run time from prediction" of around 9.2 secs. before kollision with a diamond, 10 spins might look like this:

9.18
9.21
9.19
9.24
9.90 !!!
9.20
9.10
8.90
9.15
9.40

there are several spins where the ball is not going to collide where it is supposed to. The impact of those "lose stray" spins has of course an impact on the overall picture, but depending on your betting pattern and depending on wether some of the strays is creating a secondary peak that you might be able to cover using split bets, you don`t really know how much effect the strays is creating.

Same goes for the the mythified dealers signature. The dealer can anytime he wants screw up 5 - 10 spins if he wants to have a little fun with you, but if the remaining 90% is done with a drop zone, consistent wheel speed, consistent amount of ball revoloutions, there is going to be an imbalance. Personally i have booked dealers who created data that went out between 4 - 6 standard deviations (as i recall it) and lately i saw a sheet from a wheel/dealer that created a whacking 12 standard deviation over 4200 spins, not booked by myself though.

I also didn`t mean to imply that i have made even remotely the same amount as Kaisan. Kaisan started out at a time where there were more opportunitys than today. His mistake were, that he didn`t really go undercover but just whacked the casinos for as much as possible. So when Casino Austria barred him, it wasn`t just a few casinos in Austria but the entire chain which covers more than 100 casinos all over the world. He is just about as public with his play as the open discussions in here,(his modus operandi is still a well kept secret). Look where it got him to. Today, there are still opportunitys. But they won`t let him near them. His world has become extremely narrow, because the wheels he has access to, are really not playable using VB.

[Rollo]

Using mobile phones or PDAs might be impractical because they are so "proprietary". You'll never know what's going on in them. Their OS are not as well documented as an ordinary windows. And even the hardware is undocumented. This is not good for real time applications.

I would suggest two alternatives:

One is the UMPC, Ultra Mobile PC. These machines are like PDAs but more powerful and best of all, they run ordinary Windows or Linux OS! Whatever you can do on a stationary PC or laptop, you can also do on the UMPC. You have great real time control over it. And the development process might be facilitated by this uncompromised PC-compatibility. Drawback is that most of them are still today a tad too large. And the fastest ones can get too hot to have running in your pocket (they have no fan so they are quiet). But I think we will see improved products already this and next year.

The other alternative is a Java stamp. There are several around, live Jstamp or Javelin. These are small one chip computers which are Java programmable, which facilitates development process compared to a machine coded PIC. They are far less powerful than a UMPC, but it should be enough for your needs. I think it time resolution on I/O shorter than 1 ms. But chekc it out. And make sure that there is no Java garbage collection going on which can sabotage real time performance.

http://jstamp.systronix.com/jstamp_photos.htm

And how about a small vibration motor?
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8449

By the way, what would the goals be with using a new platform?

PS
I am in no way an expert on devices such as those I've mentioned above. But I think they are worth while to seriously consider. Since phones and PDAs do not allow total control, all development work made on them, might turn out to be compelety useless. Timings could be randomly unreliable because of undocumentedprocesses running in the background and the provider will not be helpful with information. They are very high risk platforms, IMHO.

[forester]

I did look some java stamps, but that wouldn't benefit me much. So I better use my design.

That vibrator may be interesting, but in usual they have slow response time.
Still it may be worth testing it. Thanks for the link I may get one to test it. 

Actually I better send the link to ABC he may like it for his experiments 

[Dr.Spock]

Great job Forester. keep up the good work.   

Since I am now retired at the age of 43- -  I will dedicating the rest of my life on how to master the roulette wheel.  So if i can ever be of any assistance THE CAUSE just kick me an email on how I can help.   abc, kelly, mike, yourself  and several others are a very strong knowledgable group we can all grow off of to build  a nice strong foundation.

I will purchase your system on March 1, and look forward to mastering FF.  Once I master your system I will start sharing my experiences and ideas to all other members here.  I have all ready traveled all over the world and do just about all there is to do - - -so at this stage in my life I expect to get things moving real fast since I can dedicate up to 16 hours a day - - -7 days a week  - --learning how to master FF- - -especially since my kids are all grown now up now.

 

[Rollo]

I did look some java stamps, but that wouldn't benefit me much. So I better use my design.

Thats true. The main benefit would be to simplfy development, but you already have a working piece of code. And a stamp would hardly be capable of communicating with a voice ear phone, if that is one of the purposes with changing platform.

That vibrator may be interesting, but in usual they have slow response time.

Oh?! But the respons time should be the same every time, and should be easy to adjust for by using that mich time offset.

[forester]

It doesn't have to be that response time will be the same.
1 response time of vibrator
2 response time of person to vibration.
Once vibration starts it could be at least for some time even if we remove power supply.

[forester]

Finally I made all agreements with Java developer.
We will try to do it on mobile phone / PDA.
I will make small draft of program just for ball clocking, for parameters of only one spin.
Then do the test to find out if timing can work. That will take only small fraction of time needed to complete whole project but it will tell us if it is possible to do it that way or not.

This week I have a visitor from overseas so I will be busy.

[Rollo]

It doesn't have to be that response time will be the same.
1 response time of vibrator

THis must always be the same. Java code running on a mobile phone might stop and go randomly without your control. But between a PIC and a vibrations motor, things will always be exactly the same everytime.

Btw, one bets over several neighboring numbers, so human reaction time cannot be an important problem.

I wish you good luck with the java on PDA/mobile phone tests! Hopefully they have sped up so that timing errors are acceptable. And aren't there some open source linux phones around?

[Dr.Spock]

my brother has been a java develper and programmer for the last 20 years. He is one of the best java specialist in North America- - and I am very proud of him. 

It's always good to get atleast 2 profesional opinions on any major project- - - besides He'll do anything I tell him to do because he is my little brother.   

Is there any specific questions I can have him answer or tests that I can have him conduct?

He's the closest thing to perfection and thouroughness on every java project he's worked on the last 20 plus years - - - that's why he's one of the top and most sought after java developers in the whole country.  He's such a genius that I would bet the bank that he could build a roulette computer from scratch- - - and finish the entire project in less than 1 week.  THAT'S HOW GOOD HE IS....he was a mentally gifted studed his entire child hood listed under Who's Who in America.

 The only problem is that he's currently involved in about 20 different java projects working with mostly fortune 500 companies. He's currently working about 100 hours a week devoted to these various projects.  It's a good thing that he's my brother - - - that's the only reason he'll find the time to do as I ask him  - - - because if he wasn't my brother, than he wouldn't give me the time of the day since he all ready have a full schedule. 

For him - - TIME IS MONEY - - - since his going rate is $1000.00 US dollars per hour .  That comes out to about 40,000.00 US dollars for 1 full week of work which he always get paid upfront before he even steps in the front door.  He averages about 100 hours a week under his current contracts, so I'd say he's doing pretty well.  BUT I GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE SINCE HE'S MY BROTHER.